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    I wonder if Baldwin just retires from acting at this point. Obviously I can't put myself in his shoes but I'd be done with media attention forever at that point and just want to disappear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pony View Post
    Wow.

    Why are there even ANY live rounds anywhere on set? And it sure sounds like an accident was inevitable. If that's all true some heads are gonna roll.
    I actually pondered this, when they show people shooting and missing and stuff flying up from where the impact should be, I never thought they used actual live rounds to create the effect, always assumed they used small pyro to explode along the ground etc. Do they use live rounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikari Kisugi View Post
    I actually pondered this, when they show people shooting and missing and stuff flying up from where the impact should be, I never thought they used actual live rounds to create the effect, always assumed they used small pyro to explode along the ground etc. Do they use live rounds?
    I would assume too that it's small pyro. Mostly because it would be too difficult to film exactly where impacts hit unless you had expert shooters hitting an exact mark. Plus I'm sure they make many of the impacts "bigger" for cinematic effect.

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    Update Alec Baldwin was given prop gun by crew member who had a previous safety complaint against him

    By Tyler McCarthy | Fox News




    The "Rust" crew member who reportedly gave Alec Baldwin a prop gun that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was previously the subject of a safety complaint.

    Crew member Maggie Goll said in a statement to The Associated Press that she filed an internal complaint with the executive producers of Hulu’s "Into the Dark" series in 2019 over concerns about assistant director Dave Halls' behavior on set. Goll said in an email Sunday that Halls disregarded safety protocols for weapons and pyrotechnics and tried to continue filming after a crew member had "slipped into a diabetic fugue state."

    "He did not maintain a safe working environment," Goll told NBC News. "Sets were almost always allowed to become increasingly claustrophobic, no established fire lanes, exits blocked ... safety meetings were nonexistent."

    Baldwin fired a prop gun on the New Mexico set of the film "Rust" Thursday, killing 42-year-old Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza, who was standing behind her. Souza has since been released from a hospital. It was previously reported that Halls handed Baldwin the firearm, mistakenly announcing at the time that it was a "cold gun," meaning that it was an unloaded weapon. Instead, it was loaded with live rounds, according to the records.

    The gun Baldwin used was one of three that a firearms specialist, or armorer, had set on a cart outside the building where a scene was being rehearsed, according to court records. Halls grabbed a gun off a cart and handed it to Baldwin, according to the records.

    Baldwin, 63, who is known for his roles in "30 Rock" and "The Hunt for Red October" and his impression of former President Donald Trump on "Saturday Night Live," broke his silence on the shooting on Friday, one day after the incident.

    "There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours," Baldwin said on Twitter.

    "I'm fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred and I am in touch with her husband, offering my support to him and his family. My heart is broken for her husband, their son, and all who knew and loved Halyna," the actor concluded.

    Baldwin, who is a producer on "Rust," met with Hutchins' husband and 9-year-old son Saturday at a hotel in Santa Fe where the actor had been staying during filming. Baldwin and Hutchins' husband can be seen embracing in an emotional meeting.

    Goll, a prop maker and licensed pyrotechnician, said in her email that Halls' behavior on set has concerned her in the past.

    During work on "Into the Dark," Halls didn't hold safety meetings and consistently failed to announce the presence of a firearm on set to the crew, as is protocol, Goll said. The assistant prop master admonished Halls several times for dismissing the actors and actresses before they had returned weapons to the props table, she said.

    "The only reason the crew was made aware of a weapon’s presence was because the assistant prop master demanded Dave acknowledge and announce the situation each day," she wrote.

    She filed an internal complaint with the executive producers of Blumhouse Productions, she said.

    "To my knowledge nothing was done after my complaints," she wrote.

    A spokesman for Blumhouse Productions told NBC News, "We used non-firing, dummy firearm props during the production of "Pure." No complaints were received via the studio’s anonymous reporting system EthicsPoint/Navex regarding safety concerns."

    "We cannot comment on personnel matters," the Blumhouse spokesperson added regarding allegations against Halls.

    Fox News' attempts to reach Halls were not successful.

    "I am gutted at not pushing harder for greater accountability and safety," Goll said. "Many of us have messaged each other wondering the same thing: Is there something we could have done then that would have prevented the tragedy? It is a horrible feeling."

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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    If true, assistant director Halls should be up for manslaughter.

    The production coordinator has some responsibility too, given they would have been partially responsible for hiring Halls.

    Not sure if Baldwin is in direct line of fire. As producer he is moreso responsible for hiring the creative staff ( writers and director) not so much production staff (assistant director, which is what Halls is). But then the question begs, who is responsible for a hiring the assistant director?

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    Update Alec Baldwin was practicing pointing revolver at camera during fatal prop gun mishap

    By Gabrielle Fonrouge and Kenneth Garger - New York Post




    SANTA FE, N.M. — Alec Baldwin was practicing a “cross draw” in a church pew that required pointing his weapon at the camera during the prop gun mishap that left cinematographer Halyna Hutchins dead, newly released documents reveal.

    Two new witness accounts made public by the Sante Fe Sheriff’s Office on Sunday night describe the harrowing moment the 42-year-old director of photography was shot inside the church building on the New Mexico set of the film “Rust.”

    Baldwin was rehearsing the gun retrieval method from a pew of the mock church at Bonanza Creek Ranch when he aimed at the camera, while both Hutchins and 48-year-old director Joel Souza stood behind it.

    Souza then says he heard a “loud pop” and realized both he and Hutchins were bleeding, according to a police interview.

    The director told investigators that he remembered hearing the phrase “cold gun” while preparing for the scene, indicating the firearm wasn’t loaded and was safe for use, but he couldn’t remember if the gun, described as a “revolver” in the records, had been checked after the crew returned from a lunch break before the incident happened.

    Another witness, cameraman Reid Russel, gave additional insight into the moments leading up to the horrific tragedy.

    “[Russel] said while preparing, there was a shadow coming from the outside light and they had to move the camera at a different angle from Alec,” the warrant says.

    “He said Alec was trying to explain how he was going to draw out the firearm and where his arm would be at when the firearm was pulled from the holster,” according to the warrant.

    “[Russel] was not sure why the firearm was discharged and just remembered the loud bang from the firearm,” the document states.

    Souza, who was looking over Hutchins’ shoulder when the Thursday tragedy unfolded, was struck in the shoulder and Hutchins in the chest.

    “[Russel] said after the firearm was discharged, he remembered [Souza] having blood on his person, and [Hutchins] speaking and saying she couldn’t feel her legs,” the record says.

    “[Russel] stated once [Hutchins] was on the ground, medics began to treat her injury as she was bleeding while on the floor of the building they were in.”

    Souza told authorities that Hutchins stumbled backward while complaining of pain before she was helped to the ground. Hutchins was airlifted to the hospital, but could not be saved. Souza has since been released from the hospital.

    The fatal mishap happened during a tense day on set following numerous issues between the crew and the production team overseeing the film.

    Russel told police that filming was behind schedule that day and he “had much work to complete” after six members of the camera crew walked off the set in the morning following “issues with production involving payment and housing,” the document states.

    He added the crew who had walked off, who were reportedly replaced with non-union workers and threatened with “security” if they didn’t immediately leave, had previously penned a “letter to production on disagreements.”

    Souza had also mentioned production was behind schedule, largely because there was only one camera available to use after the crew walked off.

    “During the morning hours, the day started off late due to a camera crew that had quit and they had to find another camera crew to help film the movie,” Souza told police.

    “[Souza] said once they hired another camera crew to assist, the day was taking longer than usual because they only had one camera to do the filming.”

    Filmmakers have traditionally used real guns on movie sets but load them with blanks instead of real bullets to avoid a similar mishap.

    Production on the film has been halted amid an investigation on the shooting, and an “absolutely devastated” Baldwin is reportedly taking time off from his other projects.

    No arrests have been made. The Santa Fe Sheriff’s Office said Sunday night the incident “remains an active, open investigation” and a press conference on the matter will be held on Wednesday.

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    Update Alec Baldwin insists he’s not to blame for fatal shooting of Halyna Hutchins on ‘Rust’ set

    By Patrick Reilly - New York Post




    Alec Baldwin said he’s not to blame for the death of a cinematographer he shot with a prop gun on the “Rust” movie set because there never should have been live rounds on the property.

    Baldwin was handling the gun when a live shot rang out, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding the film’s director Joel Souza on Oct. 21 in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

    “There’s only one question that needs to be resolved, just one: where did the live round come from?” Baldwin told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos in an interview that aired Thursday.

    “Someone put a live bullet in a gun. A live bullet that wasn’t even supposed to be on the property,” he said in the interview, his first since the fatal accident. “Someone is ​responsible for what happened, and I can’t say who that is, but I know it’s not me.”

    Baldwin was visibly emotional and broke down at times during the one-hour interview as he discussed the shooting, which the actor called the worst thing to ever happen to him.


    Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot on the movie set of “Rust” in October.

    Baldwin told Stephanopoulos that he decided to come forward and speak publicly about the incident because he couldn’t wait what could be months until the investigation concluded to clear up what he called “misconceptions” surrounding the incident and its aftermath.

    He described the moments leading up to shooting as he and Hutchins worked on capturing the best gun angle for a scene in which he claimed he never was meant to pull the trigger — only to cock the gun back. The actor said he was assured the gun was a “cold gun” by assistant director Dave Halls, who handed him the weapon.

    As Baldwin and Hutchins practiced different motions and angles for the shot, the gun fired, although he said he never even pulled the trigger.

    “I let go of the hammer. Bang! The gun goes off,” Baldwin said, not believing he could have possibly have shot her.



    “I thought to myself, ‘Did she faint?’ The notion that there was a live round in that gun did not dawn on me for probably 45 minutes to an hour later,” Baldwin told Stephanopoulos.

    “No one could understand. Did she have a heart attack? The idea that someone put a live bullet in the gun was not even in reality.”

    “She just laid there kind of in shock,” he said, before responders arrived.

    The shooting occurred on the same day that several crew members walked off the set for purportedly unsafe and subpar working conditions and made demands such as better hotel rooms.

    “In my opinion no … I did not observe any safety or security issues,” Baldwin said of his time on set.

    His interview comes after a new search warrant approved by a judge on Tuesday revealed the live round may have been left in the gun from a previous film production.

    Baldwin said he had never before worked with Hutchins until “Rust” but was impressed with how dedicated and driven she had been.

    “She was someone who was loved by everyone she worked with, was liked by everyone she worked with and admired,” he said, choking back tears.



    Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, who was working on just her second film, was in charge of training actors in gun safety and handling the weapons. Her attorney has claimed that there is a possibility that the bullet was intentionally placed in the chamber to sabotage the film, which Baldwin denied, as have investigators.

    “That’s a big swing,” the actor said. “That’s an enormous charge to make. For what purpose? To attack who? To harm me? The production?”

    “It’s overwhelmingly likely that it was an accident.”

    The incident has left Baldwin shook, saying he’s exhausted after losing so much sleep over the past several weeks.

    “I’m not somebody who has very vivid dreams but I dream about this constantly now,” he said.

    Baldwin told Stephanopoulos that the most important thing in his life right now is his family, and not his career. He is slated to film another movie in January although he said he “can’t imagine I’d ever do another movie with a gun in it ever again,” he said.

    Baldwin claims he isn’t worried about potential criminal action against him — as the actor who fired the gun and as a “purely creative” producer on the film. He said his only production responsibilities centered around the script and casting. To date, no charges have been brought in the film set shooting.

    “It’s highly unlikely I would be charged with anything criminally,” he said he’s been told.

    Two civil lawsuits filed by crew members Serge Svetnoy and Mamie Mitchell have claimed Baldwin bears responsibility for the unsafe working conditions on set. The suits also name other producers, Halls and Gutierrez-Reed as defendants.

    After Hutchins was killed, Baldwin took her husband Matthew and their young son out to dinner before they attended a memorial service for her, he said.

    “I said, ‘I don’t know what to say, I don’t know how to convey how sorry I am to you,” Baldwin said.

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    Something about the gun firing without the trigger being pulled ??

    I guess we'll hear more about it, but I was under the impression that it was a very old gun - an original, not a replica. Which begs the question even further, why was there a live round inside??

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    Something about the gun firing without the trigger being pulled ??

    I guess we'll hear more about it, but I was under the impression that it was a very old gun - an original, not a replica. Which begs the question even further, why was there a live round inside??
    It's a single action revolver meaning the hammer has to be cocked back manually (which rotated the cylinder at the same time) and released the hammer by the trigger being pulled. In older revolvers it was quite common for the shooter to not pull the hammer back far enough and not set the trigger but far enough for the hammer spring to have enough force to fire the round. Modern revolvers have a safety feature that will block the hammer if it wasn't put into full action. You will see in old westerns where the shooter just held the trigger as they fanned the hammer with their free hand thus allowing them to empty the gun rapidly, although accuracy has been shot.

    As far as the live round on set, there were reports of the cast and crew playing around having target practice during off times.

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    Others in the old west would just wire the trigger back so they could start fanning as soon as they slapped leather.

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    I saw a snippet of that interview.. He looks horrible...

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    I thought it was really interesting what he said about not checking weapons are safe before using them on sets his entire career. He basically said his first movie, he tried to do it, but the prop-master then took the gun back and had to check it again. I'm paraphrasing but Balwin said he was always told if he went and fiddled with the gun after it was checked and handed to him, the armorer would always have to take it back and re-check it to be the very last point of contact and the one ultimately responsible to clear the weapon safe again in case an actors did something unsafe. He also said clearly that's going to change now for actors, and he probably won't work on a set with guns again.

    On one hand that goes against everything anyone ever learns about handling weapons... on the other hand, if I'm the one a gun is pointed at, having a professional armorer be the last person to clear a weapon safe before some dumb actors fucks around with it again also makes a lot of logical sense too. I dono what to think there but I'm leaning towards the latter approach the film industry has apparently been using still being the right one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather View Post
    I thought it was really interesting what he said about not checking weapons are safe before using them on sets his entire career.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    By Patrick Reilly - New York Post
    Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, who was working on just her second film, was in charge of training actors in gun safety and handling the weapons.
    Sounds to me like Baldwin is just trying to deflect his responsibility.

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    For sure. I'd be curious to hear other big actors who've working on high budget films with weapons to see what their process is with armorers... not that many big name actors are going to touch this topic with a 10-foot stick right now.

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