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    War Russian military vehicles roll through outskirts of Donetsk after Putin orders troops into Ukraine

    by Tyler O'Neil - FOX News




    Vladimir Putin has ordered Russian troops into the two breakaway regions of Ukraine after recognizing their independence, The Wall Street Journal reported. The Russian government's legal portal published his two decrees following a televised address late Monday.

    An emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council convened, with the United States and allies seeking to isolate Russia and condemning the deployment of Russian troops. Ukraine requested the late-night meeting.

    Witness sees Russian tanks on outskirts of Donetsk

    A witness sent Reuters footage of columns of military vehicles, including tanks and APCs, moving on the outskirts of Donetsk early on Tuesday.

    Donetsk is one of the two breakaway regions that Putin recognized on Monday. This move seems to comport with Putin's orders.

    Russian troops arrive in Ukraine regions, unconfirmed report

    Russian forces have arrived in Ukraine's breakaway regions, European leaders suggested Tuesday morning.

    When asked whether Putin's decision to order Russian troops into these regions amounts to an invasion, European Union foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said, "I wouldn’t say that’s a fully fledged invasion, but Russian troops are on Ukrainian soil."

    Britain's defense secretary, Ben Wallace, warned of worrying signs that Russia has begun to move forces into Ukraine. He admitted that reports of military equipment moving into Ukraine's Donbas region need to be verified, however.

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    Update

    US ambassador: Putin calling his troops 'peacekeepers' is 'nonsense'


    U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Linda Thomas-Greenfield, during a speech to the United Nations Security Council Monday, criticized Russian President Vladimir Putin for recognizing two eastern Ukraine breakaway regions.

    "He has since announced that he will place Russian troops in these regions. He calls them peacekeepers. This is nonsense," she said. "We know what they really are. In doing so, he has put before the world a choice. We must meet the moment, and we must not look away."

    "We do not have to guess at President Putin’s motives," she added. "Today, President Putin made a series of outrageous, false claims about Ukraine aimed at creating a pretext for war, and immediately thereafter, announced Russian troops are entering the Donbas."

    Germany hits the brakes on Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline following Putin's military moves

    Germany on Tuesday is taking steps to halt the process of certifying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline from Russia because of Moscow's actions in Ukraine, Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced.

    Scholz said that the government had decided to “reassess” the certification of the pipeline, which hasn’t begun operating yet, in light of the latest developments.

    “That will certainly take time, if I may say so,” he said.

    Germany meets about a quarter of its energy needs with natural gas, a share that will increase in the coming years as the country switches off its last three nuclear power plants and phases out the use of coal. About half of the natural gas used in Germany comes from Russia.

    Russia claims breakaway regions should include territory held by Ukrainian military too

    Russia on Tuesday said its recognition of independence for two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine includes territory currently held by Ukrainian forces as well.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that Russia has recognized the rebel regions’ independence “in borders that existed when they proclaimed” their independence in 2014.

    Ukrainian forces later reclaimed control of large part of both regions during a nearly eight-year conflict that has killed over 14,000 people.

    Late Monday, convoys of armored vehicles were seen rolling across the separatist-controlled territories. It wasn’t immediately clear if they were Russian.

    Russian officials haven't yet acknowledged any troop deployments to the rebel east, but Vladislav Brig, a member of the separatist local council in Donetsk, told reporters that the Russian troops already had moved in, taking up positions in the region's north and west.

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    Update Putin, in new video, calls Russia’s core interests ‘non-negotiable’ but says it’s open to ‘honest dialogue’

    By Dom Calicchio | Fox News




    Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a video address Wednesday, asserted that the country’s core interests were "non-negotiable" amid tensions with Ukraine – and with the U.S. and other Western nations.

    But Putin also said Russia was "always open for direct and honest dialogue," and was willing to address "the most difficult issues" through diplomacy, according to reports.

    Putin’s remarks came on Defenders of the Fatherland Day, the Russian equivalent of Veterans Day in the United States, according to Max Seddon, Moscow bureau chief of The Financial Times of Britain.

    The comments also came as Putin – and what actions he might take next -- continued to be the focus of the globe as some 150,000 Russian troops remained close to Russia’s border with Ukraine and as the U.S. and the West announced sanctions intended to punish Moscow for what they see as unprovoked aggression against a sovereign nation.

    "The interests of Russia, the security of our citizens, are non-negotiable for us," Putin says in the video, according to The Australian newspaper.

    "Our country stays open for direct and honest dialog for the search of diplomatic solutions for the most complex issues," Putin continued, according to an English translation in a video posted on Twitter by Britain’s Sky News. "But I will repeat: Russia’s interests, our citizens’ safety, are absolute. So we will continue strengthening and developing our army and navy, increasing their efficiency and providing them with the most advanced equipment."

    On Tuesday, President Biden announced new sanctions against Russia, citing what he described as "the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine," following reports of Russian troops entering two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine.

    In addition to amassed Russian troops, Biden said signs of Russia moving supplies of medical equipment and blood to the Ukraine border region were indications that Russia planned further military action.

    "You don’t need blood unless you plan on starting a war," Biden said.

    Sanctions, if Russia doesn't pull back, will include the halting of the Nord Stream 2 fuel pipeline project between Russia and Germany, Biden added.

    On Tuesday night, Russia claimed it had launched diplomatic relations with the breakaway regions in Ukraine. Putin also told reporters that Russia wanted Ukraine to drop its plans to join NATO and instead remain a neutral country, The Australian reported.

    Early Wednesday, Japan and Australia announced their own plans for sanctions against Russia, the newspaper reported, with Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison referring to members of Russia’s security council as "thugs and bullies," the report said.

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    Sanctions, if Russia doesn't pull back, will include the halting of the Nord Stream 2 fuel pipeline project between Russia and Germany, Biden added.
    Is he really trying to take credit for Germanys decision to sanction Russia?

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    The Nato thing is a non-negotiable point for him... So we decide... Stick to it and go to war over Hunter and the big guys personal deals with Ukraine, or we just butt the fuck out and let Russia manage their side of the Earth.. If Canada was saying they were going to become a communist nation we would be doing the same thing Russia is.. Putin drew a line and just because the U.S. doesn't like doesn't mean that he just erases that line. We're very arrogant in our approach to diplomacy sometimes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    The Nato thing is a non-negotiable point for him... So we decide... Stick to it and go to war over Hunter and the big guys personal deals with Ukraine, or we just butt the fuck out and let Russia manage their side of the Earth.. If Canada was saying they were going to become a communist nation we would be doing the same thing Russia is.. Putin drew a line and just because the U.S. doesn't like doesn't mean that he just erases that line. We're very arrogant in our approach to diplomacy sometimes..
    Why do we give a shit what Putin wants? Fuck Putin. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. If they want to be in NATO, then it should be up to Ukraine and NATO. Playing Devil's advocate here but if we don't do something, what's to stop him from trying to expand further into Europe? What kind of message does that send to China regarding Taiwan? What happens if China invades and we do nothing? Will that embolden Putin to go further in his quest to rebuild the Soviet Union?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonGeminiX View Post
    Why do we give a shit what Putin wants? Fuck Putin. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. If they want to be in NATO, then it should be up to Ukraine and NATO. Playing Devil's advocate here but if we don't do something, what's to stop him from trying to expand further into Europe? What kind of message does that send to China regarding Taiwan? What happens if China invades and we do nothing? Will that embolden Putin to go further in his quest to rebuild the Soviet Union?

    We are all tired of being the good cops of the world, but the world is a better place when we're in charge.
    You send your kids to go fight in the next un-winnable war then..!

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    Since WWII, the US has only gone to war with nations that are actually not a threat. Unlike Iraq, which was a pitiful adversary (and GWB knew it from the start, despite all the rhetoric), Russia would actually be a formidable enemy. A war with Russia would not just cost a few thousand lives and a couple of trillion dollars, no, it would be 100-fold the price in human lives to pay. Would the US voters be ready for this? I don't think so, not for Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    You send your kids to go fight in the next un-winnable war then..!
    I don't have kids. I'll just send you.

    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    Since WWII, the US has only gone to war with nations that are actually not a threat. Unlike Iraq, which was a pitiful adversary (and GWB knew it from the start, despite all the rhetoric), Russia would actually be a formidable enemy. A war with Russia would not just cost a few thousand lives and a couple of trillion dollars, no, it would be 100-fold the price in human lives to pay. Would the US voters be ready for this? I don't think so, not for Ukraine.
    If the US ends up in a war against Russia, all of NATO will be required to join. That's the treaty, that's the agreement. If Russia goes to war with one of us, she goes to war with all of us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonGeminiX View Post
    I don't have kids. I'll just send you.



    If the US ends up in a war against Russia, all of NATO will be required to join. That's the treaty, that's the agreement. If Russia goes to war with one of us, she goes to war with all of us.
    Ok, so a bit extra. Frankly they mostly get in the way.

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    I don't have kids. I'll just send you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    Since WWII, the US has only gone to war with nations that are actually not a threat. Unlike Iraq, which was a pitiful adversary (and GWB knew it from the start, despite all the rhetoric), Russia would actually be a formidable enemy. A war with Russia would not just cost a few thousand lives and a couple of trillion dollars, no, it would be 100-fold the price in human lives to pay. Would the US voters be ready for this? I don't think so, not for Ukraine.
    It would literally be WWIII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    Thankfully I'm way way too old, my friend.
    Go and fight!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    It would literally be WWIII.
    Yep

    https://armedforces.eu/compare/country_USA_vs_Russia

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