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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    If they have orders to contain and wait for tactical team, they do. I have no information to say they weren't following orders. The old procedure was contain, which was done for years, perhaps until some years after Columbine ?, but we have no idea what they were ordered to do or not do. If they were supposed to confront and they pussied out, I agree with you. But I don't have any information that was the case.
    I heard this earlier today: There were officers at the scene that had children of their own in the school. They went in, retrieved their own children, and took them out to save them... leaving everybody else inside. If this is true, then we all should be absolutely livid over this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    You think the US debate is about school shootings? How cute. If the shooter were trans, the whole debate goes sideways.
    It will be a distraction from the real issue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonGeminiX View Post
    I heard this earlier today: There were officers at the scene that had children of their own in the school. They went in, retrieved their own children, and took them out to save them... leaving everybody else inside. If this is true, then we all should be absolutely livid over this.
    Texas Police Spox on Live TV Confirmed Cops Went In for Their Own Kids During Uvalde Shooting
    By Tommy Christopher - Mediaite


    Texas Department Public Safety spokesman Lt. Christopher Olivarez confirmed to a reporter during a live shot that police officers went into Robb Elementary School to get their own children during the massacre.

    Amid outrage over reports that frantic families who complained about police inaction during the massacre were held back by police, a clip of a live interview with Olivarez from Tuesday has gone viral.

    In the clip, Vanessa Croix of KENS 5 says she’s heard that police went into the school to get their own kids while the shooting was going on, asks Lt. Olivarez about it:

    VANESSA CROIX: And we’ve also heard word that a Border Patrol agent was struck with gunfire. A few officers shot. We’ve heard that some law enforcement officers actually went into school to get their kids out. Can you talk about that?

    LT. CHRISTOPHER OLIVAREZ: Right. So what we do know, Vanessa, right now, that there was some police officers, families trying to get their children out of school because it was a active shooter situation right now. It’s a terrible situation right now. And of course, just as we mentioned, the loss of life. It’s just a terrible, it’s a terrible tragedy of another took place. But again, we’ve got to keep acknowledging those brave men and women that actually were there on scene that met this suspect. And, of course, we know that they were met with gunfire. Some of them were shot. But at the end of this, the suspect was shot, is now deceased. The threat is now neutralized.

    The clip was flagged by prominent Twitter users like Democratic comms operative Sawyer Hackett and New York Times Evan Hill, and went viral:





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    Schumer blocked a GOP sponsored school safety bill.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    Texas Police Spox on Live TV Confirmed Cops Went In for Their Own Kids During Uvalde Shooting
    By Tommy Christopher - Mediaite


    Texas Department Public Safety spokesman Lt. Christopher Olivarez confirmed to a reporter during a live shot that police officers went into Robb Elementary School to get their own children during the massacre.

    Amid outrage over reports that frantic families who complained about police inaction during the massacre were held back by police, a clip of a live interview with Olivarez from Tuesday has gone viral.

    In the clip, Vanessa Croix of KENS 5 says she’s heard that police went into the school to get their own kids while the shooting was going on, asks Lt. Olivarez about it:

    VANESSA CROIX: And we’ve also heard word that a Border Patrol agent was struck with gunfire. A few officers shot. We’ve heard that some law enforcement officers actually went into school to get their kids out. Can you talk about that?

    LT. CHRISTOPHER OLIVAREZ: Right. So what we do know, Vanessa, right now, that there was some police officers, families trying to get their children out of school because it was a active shooter situation right now. It’s a terrible situation right now. And of course, just as we mentioned, the loss of life. It’s just a terrible, it’s a terrible tragedy of another took place. But again, we’ve got to keep acknowledging those brave men and women that actually were there on scene that met this suspect. And, of course, we know that they were met with gunfire. Some of them were shot. But at the end of this, the suspect was shot, is now deceased. The threat is now neutralized.

    The clip was flagged by prominent Twitter users like Democratic comms operative Sawyer Hackett and New York Times Evan Hill, and went viral:




    Heresay. More distraction from the real issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    Heresay. More distraction from the real issue.
    What's the real issue? Mental illness that could have been diagnosed and treated long before? Lack of security at schools? Police not knowing that part of their job is to put their lives on the line for others?

    Oh, and by the way, it's not hearsay. This isn't a court of law and no one is saying under oath "I heard him say this". These are witnesses that are telling what they saw. That's not hearsay.
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    the more that comes out from this, the more it seems like the number should have been much lower for victims of this ass clown
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    Quote Originally Posted by deebakes View Post
    the more that comes out from this, the more it seems like the number should have been much lower for victims of this ass clown
    No one should have died at all. This could have been avoided completely.

    If I was a police officer today, I would be ashamed to call these Texas police officers my brothers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonGeminiX View Post
    What's the real issue? Mental illness that could have been diagnosed and treated long before? Lack of security at schools? Police not knowing that part of their job is to put their lives on the line for others?
    And lack of checklists for access to guns. Yes

    Oh, and by the way, it's not hearsay. This isn't a court of law and no one is saying under oath "I heard him say this". These are witnesses that are telling what they saw. That's not hearsay.
    Neither the woman interviewing or the man being interviewed themselves saw what they said happened. They heard it from somewhere else. Hearsay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    If they have orders to contain and wait for tactical team, they do. I have no information to say they weren't following orders. The old procedure was contain, which was done for years, perhaps until some years after Columbine ?, but we have no idea what they were ordered to do or not do. If they were supposed to confront and they pussied out, I agree with you. But I don't have any information that was the case.
    Exactly. Normal police going in to take down a guy making a standoff, barricaded who knows where, wearing armour. If that was indeed the situation it's extremely dangerous, if not a suicide mission for those officers involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    Exactly. Normal police going in to take down a guy making a standoff, barricaded who knows where, wearing armour. If that was indeed the situation it's extremely dangerous, if not a suicide mission for those officers involved.
    Using that logic, if the school was on fire, should the police wait 40 minutes before a ladder truck arrived from 25 miles away? Seems to me that if they had enough energy to handcuff a woman trying to get in the school to check on her kid, they might have mustered just enough backbone to cautiously attempt to protect and serve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    And lack of checklists for access to guns.
    Aside from the fact that the kid had issues that could have and should have been dealt with earlier, there is no law or procedure that would have prevented this without violating our Constitutionally protected rights.


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