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    Dumb Activist Hawaii Judge Decides SCOTUS Rulings Can Be Ignored

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    Hawaii Supreme Court Rejects Major Second Amendment Rulings in New Gun-Carry Decision
    Stephen Gutowski
    February 7, 2024
    11:22 pm
    The Aloha State’s highest court upheld a man’s gun-carry conviction on Wednesday after rejecting landmark decisions from the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS).

    Hawaii’s Supreme Court reversed a lower court decision that found charges leveled against Christopher Wilson for carrying a gun without a permit violated his rights. Instead, the court ruled its state constitution provides no gun-rights protections whatsoever. That’s despite it including a provision protecting the right of the people to keep and bear arms identical to the one in the federal Constitution.

    “Article I, section 17 of the Hawaiʻi Constitution mirrors the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution,” the Hawaiian court wrote in Hawaii v. Wilson. “We read those words differently than the current United States Supreme Court. We hold that in Hawaiʻi there is no state constitutional right to carry a firearm in public.”

    The ruling directly contrasts with the core holdings at the center of SCOTUS’s gun rights precedents. The state supreme court’s ruling explicitly rejects the federal supreme court’s findings in 2008’s District of Columbia v. Heller and 2022’s New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen. The lower court’s straightforward rejection of the higher court’s Second Amendment jurisprudence could provoke SCOTUS to take up the case and issue a rebuke, as it did when the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled protections don’t extend to modern weapons in 2016’s Caetano.

    “There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms,” the majority wrote in Heller. Similarly, in Bruen, SCOTUS ruled “the Second and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual’s right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home.”

    SCOTUS also outlined a history-based test for whether gun laws are compatible with the protections offered by the Second Amendment.

    “[W]e hold that when the Second Amendment’s plain text covers an individual’s conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct,” the majority wrote in Bruen. “To justify its regulation, the government may not simply posit that the regulation promotes an important interest. Rather, the government must demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation. Only if a firearm regulation is consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition may a court conclude that the individual’s conduct falls outside the Second Amendment’s ‘unqualified command.’

    The Hawaiian judges argued that standard should be tossed out, citing a line from an HBO drama.

    “As the world turns, it makes no sense for contemporary society to pledge allegiance to the founding era’s culture, realities, laws, and understanding of the Constitution. ‘The thing about the old days, they the old days.’ The Wire: Home Rooms (HBO television broadcast Sept. 24, 2006) (Season Four, Episode Three).”

    Instead of American history, the Hawaii court looked at the island’s pre-American history for guidance on the protections provided by its state constitution.

    “We reject Wilson’s constitutional challenges,” the court wrote. “Conventional interpretive modalities and Hawaiʻi’s historical tradition of firearm regulation rule out an individual right to keep and bear arms under the Hawaiʻi Constitution.”

    The judges concluded Hawaii’s unique spirit overrode SCOTUS’s view that its citizens are entitled to gun rights.

    “The spirit of Aloha clashes with a federally-mandated lifestyle that lets citizens walk around with deadly weapons during day-to-day activities,” the Hawaiian Supreme Court wrote. “The history of the Hawaiian Islands does not include a society where armed people move about the community to possibly combat the deadly aims of others.” Self defense is bad, Plebe

    However, the Hawaiian court also went further and found the carry ban did not violate Wilson’s federal gun rights either.

    “Bruen snubs federalism principles. Still, the United States Supreme Court does not strip states of all sovereignty to pass traditional police power laws designed to protect people,” the court wrote. “Wilson has standing to challenge HRS § 134-25(a) and § 134-27(a). But those laws do not violate his federal constitutional rights.”

    The court also ruled Wilson had no standing to challenge the state’s gun-carry permitting law because he had not applied for a permit, despite the case stemming from a time before the Bruen ruling when Hawaii did not issue permits to regular civilians.
    https://www.courts.state.hi.us/wp-co...22-0000561.pdf
    Activist judges who disregard the law in their rulings should be immediately removed from their seats

    >The Hawaiian judges argued that standard should be tossed out, citing a line from an HBO drama.
    honk honk

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    McDonald v. City of Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010) held that the 2nd amendment applies to the states via the 14th amendment

    >Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    hawaii judge is literally saying the 14th amendment does not apply to hawaii

    but here again i can point to.....the corporate constitution of 1871....in which case, the 14th Amdendment, being part of the bylaws of the corporations of the united states, do not apply to any of the natural states and only apply to the corporate edifice created in 1871

    but if we're going to go back that far, Marbury vs Madison, if it is odious to the constitution, it is automatically null and void.

    Hawaii, you accept the second amendment by being a state.

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    Herein lies a serious problem with our Constitution: there is no proscribed punishment for jerks like this. If there was, Communists, Socialists, RINOs, and the Democrat party wouldn't exist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonGeminiX View Post
    Herein lies a serious problem with our Constitution: there is no proscribed punishment for jerks like this. If there was, Communists, Socialists, RINOs, and the Democrat party wouldn't exist.
    kinda up to the executive to deal with

    but of course we have a fictional meme one operating right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBD View Post
    kinda up to the executive to deal with

    but of course we have a fictional meme one operating right now
    No, it should be up to a Constitutional convention of the states. The elected and appointed can't be trusted with righting this glaring omission.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonGeminiX View Post
    No, it should be up to a Constitutional convention of the states. The elected and appointed can't be trusted with righting this glaring omission.
    I understand your sentiment, I'm just going by how the law works on this. A constitutional convention would have to be called by the states themselves, enough of a % of them.

    A constitutional convention...will be required should we cast off The Corporations of the United States....this will be the best day for the USA when this happens

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