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    I don't think it's amateur. It's such a rare occurrence to begin with, so that's why it gets so much press when it happens. And it's not like it's just Joe Six-Pack sitting in the stands that gets to play if needed. They are at least people that have hockey playing experience. And the only way that they could get around this is to expand the roster and allow teams to carry 3 goaltenders, which I don't think they want to do either. Just embrace it, the fans and the media loves it.

    As far as being the little brother to the other major North American sports leagues, it just is what it is. I mean, hockey is a regional kind of thing. If you grow up in Arizona or Mississippi or New Mexico, you don't dream of being an NHL player, although I am sure there are some exceptions. I grew up in New England, so hockey was HUGE, just like it is in a lot of the northern US, but it's just hard to break into the southern market. Not to mention the fact that even in NHL barns, when the Stanley Cup playoffs get into late spring/summer, the ice even sucks in those places. So there aren't a lot of places where people can go see/play hockey in those kinds of places. Even here in Colorado, which is a winter state, there are not many hockey arenas here at all. FFS I grew up in a small town in Vermont and our high school had their own hockey arena for a high school (grades 7 thru 12) of 1200 students. Most division I high schools in Vermont had their own arenas. Whereas with the other sports (baseball, football, and basketball....and even soccer) you can play almost anywhere at anytime and with minimal equipment. Unfortunately, hockey is a sport for people that are more well off when it comes to equipment costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    I don't think it's amateur. It's such a rare occurrence to begin with, so that's why it gets so much press when it happens. And it's not like it's just Joe Six-Pack sitting in the stands that gets to play if needed. They are at least people that have hockey playing experience. And the only way that they could get around this is to expand the roster and allow teams to carry 3 goaltenders, which I don't think they want to do either. Just embrace it, the fans and the media loves it.

    As far as being the little brother to the other major North American sports leagues, it just is what it is. I mean, hockey is a regional kind of thing. If you grow up in Arizona or Mississippi or New Mexico, you don't dream of being an NHL player, although I am sure there are some exceptions. I grew up in New England, so hockey was HUGE, just like it is in a lot of the northern US, but it's just hard to break into the southern market. Not to mention the fact that even in NHL barns, when the Stanley Cup playoffs get into late spring/summer, the ice even sucks in those places. So there aren't a lot of places where people can go see/play hockey in those kinds of places. Even here in Colorado, which is a winter state, there are not many hockey arenas here at all. FFS I grew up in a small town in Vermont and our high school had their own hockey arena for a high school (grades 7 thru 12) of 1200 students. Most division I high schools in Vermont had their own arenas. Whereas with the other sports (baseball, football, and basketball....and even soccer) you can play almost anywhere at anytime and with minimal equipment. Unfortunately, hockey is a sport for people that are more well off when it comes to equipment costs.
    Totally fair.

    RE: Arizona, I think it's really cool that now after a generation of hockey players have lived there and raised families, we're starting to see NHL'ers out of those places. Arizona produced Austin Matthews and the Tkachuk brothers partly because Keith stuck around after playing and helped build out their youth hockey programs. Same in Flordia, Jacob Chychrun is a fantastic young NHL'er who grew up there under the wing of some retired vets who made their home there. It would be really cool to see hockey take off in some new markets, but like you said there are major hurdles still.

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    NHL is being suspended tomorrow, I'm calling it. With all the news, the NBA, the fact they share facilities... it's donezo tomorrow. Going to hurt if I'm right, this quarantine we're about to live through will be that much less enjoyable without sports.

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    NHL is suspended. I'm not crying, you're crying.

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    It's a plot against the Bruins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    It's a plot against the Bruins
    Hey screw you, if they go straight into playoffs we miss by a fucking OT loss Meanwhile you guys get to thump Columbus.

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    If they don't resume the season, then they should just award the Bruins the Cup

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    The CHL (the body of the 3 highest level major-junior leagues in Canada that a ton of NHL drafts come from) has cancelled playoffs and the Memorial Cup. Sad for the older kids in the league, and will probably change the careers of some of them, but not surprising.

    Wonder how long the NHL will hold out before deciding what to do...

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    Fail Boston's TD Garden workers deserve better from billionaire owner Jeremy Jacobs

    Shalise Manza Young, Yahoo Sports Columnist - Yahoo Sports



    Boston Bruins Owner Jeremy Jacobs

    Not long after NBA commissioner Adam Silver decided to hit pause on the league for the foreseeable future due to coronavirus concerns, Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said he would make sure game-day employees were taken care of financially.

    In the days since, professional athletes, many of whom are often told to “stick to sports,” have donated money from their own pockets to help those same type of hourly wage workers, or they’ve donated money for meals to make sure children in the cities they play in are able to eat despite not going to school. For far too many children, school is the one place they know they’ll be able to get a meal each day.

    With the pace of news, each day feels far longer and things that happened less than two weeks ago seem like they happened months ago.

    But while many in the sports world have offered to go above and beyond to help their fellow citizens, the Jacobs family was largely silent.

    Helmed by 80-year-old patriarch Jeremy Jacobs, the Jacobs family owns two Boston icons: the Boston Bruins and their home, TD Garden. Jeremy Jacobs has owned the “Original Six” Bruins for well over 40 years, and the beloved team he bought for $10 million in 1975 is now valued at $1 billion.

    That’s a nice return.

    The family also owns and operates Delaware North, the company responsible for food services in over 40 American sports stadiums and arenas. That includes, of course, TD Garden.

    Delaware North is valued at $3.2 billion. Jeremy Jacobs’ personal net worth is about the same.

    And yet it took until Saturday, after the 30 other NHL teams had promised aid to in-stadium workers who will be profoundly impacted by their loss of income, after the Massachusetts attorney general had pleaded with them — twice! — for them to step up and do the absolute least.

    On Saturday morning, the Garden’s Twitter feed posted this:

    “The Jacobs Family has established a $1.5 million fund for the Boston Bruins and TD Garden part-time gameday associates who will be financially burdened if the six remaining regular season Bruins games are not played. We thank our associates for their patience and understanding while we worked through the complexity of this unprecedented situation.”

    Read that statement carefully and note the word “if.” It’s not often a two-letter word does so much.

    If the last six regular-season games aren’t played? If? That decision could be weeks away, and the majority of those workers are hurting now; last week the Massachusetts system that handles unemployment claims was swamped with an “unprecedented” number of calls.

    In-arena game-day employees are the face of your experience at the Garden, from the ticket scanners to those pouring your (massively overpriced) beer to those taking care of you in a hospitality suite. Even if the Bruins or the Garden’s other major tenant, the Boston Celtics, win their game the night you visit, poor service from an arena worker can sully your experience.

    Notice as well that there’s no mention of those same workers who also keep the arena humming for Celtics games, of which there are nine home contests still unplayed.

    The Bruins’ announcement did little to assuage the frustrations of those Garden employees.

    “I just am so embarrassed about this because I didn’t even find out from [Delaware North], I found out through a text group from work,” a Garden employee told the Boston Herald. “Most of us work at TD Garden full time, which means every concert, every Celtics game, and every Bruins game, and it’s embarrassing that we might get paid for only six events if and only if they get canceled.”

    Where are the Celtics in this? Wyc Grousbeck and the rest of the team’s ownership group were quick to say that they would take care of their game-day staff, but so far have said nothing about Garden employees. They’re tenants, but there’s seemingly no reason they can’t offer to help pay the employees who staff the Garden for their games, as the Los Angeles Kings, Lakers and Clippers are doing for staff at the Staples Center.

    It’s wonderful that a 13-year-old Bruins fan and his family started a GoFundMe for those arena employees, a fund that Bruins players have contributed to, but it’s also shameful that they felt they needed to do so after the Jacobses and Celtics ownership didn’t step up right away.

    For six-plus months out of the year, Bruins and Celtics fans pour into the Garden. Many are season-ticket holders, some can only afford one or two games a year. Many more may make their first pilgrimage to the arena, their Christmas stocking containing a dream gift, their family maybe setting aside money for weeks or months to make it happen.

    Those fans have supported the Bruins and Celtics for generations.

    Those fans deserve better than ownership groups that would not step up in an unprecedented time to help those that do their best to make sure every Garden event runs smoothly.

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    I don't hate billionaires like some of the real left leaners do, but come on. You're worth billions, how much does it cost to pay people for the 3-4 hours they'd work at minimum wage a few nights a week?! Pathetic.

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    Modifying the shootout, 3-2-1 points system, and other ways to 'fix' the NHL

    by Pete Blackburn - CBS Sports




    We've got plenty of time on our hands as the NHL season remains in limbo amid the COVID-19 outbreak, so why don't we use this team to brainstorm some ideas on how to "fix" the league? We love hockey and (sometimes) the NHL but we can probably all agree that it's not perfect.

    What changes can we make to make things a little better? I've got some ideas.

    3-2-1 points system

    The Problem: Under the NHL's current point system, teams get two points in the standings for a win of any kind, while an overtime loss earns a team one point and a regulation loss results in zero. This format aims for parity and, for the most part, it has seemingly done its job. With about a dozen regular season games remaining, only one team in the league has been mathematically eliminated and there are a handful of teams in each conference vying for the final two Wild Card spots. The league was poised for some really interesting races down the home stretch.

    But that being said, not all parity is good parity, and the current system just doesn't properly reward teams in a way that makes sense. Why should an overtime loss count as half a regulation win? Simply keeping a game close is worth that much in the standings? Call me crazy, but a team that loses 10 straight games in overtime shouldn't get the same amount of credit as a team that goes 5-5-0 over a 10-game stretch. There's just not enough room to separate good teams that win in regulation consistently.

    The Solution: It's an easy one: A 3-2-1 points system. Teams that win in regulation should earn three points, while an overtime win earns two, an overtime loss earns one and a regulation loss earns zero.

    With this system, teams are actually incentivized to try and win in regulation. Currently, there's no real downside to letting a game go to OT -- teams are willing to pack it in and play conservative at the end of regulation in a tie game because they'll both be guaranteed a point if it gets to the extra frame, and they won't be docked at all if they come out on the winning side. With the threat of losing a point, you'd see teams play more aggressive towards the end of regulation and that would open up the possibility of more exciting finishes to games around the league.

    Ten-minute overtime followed by modified shootout

    The problem: Three-on-three overtime is one of the best things that the NHL has going while the shootout is one of the worst. Even if you believe that 3v3 is somewhat of a gimmick and not a true representation of a team's overall hockey ability, you have to admit that it's often an insanely entertaining thrill ride that's impossible to look away from. And you also have to admit it's less of a gimmick than the shootout, which is a glorified skills competition that somehow has too many rules (no spin-o-ramas) and not enough rules (the speed at which players can approach).

    There's no bigger buzzkill than when a riveting three-on-three OT leads to a shootout. It's like getting off a roller coaster at a theme park and going straight to wait in line for the bathroom. And while the number of shootouts has dipped since the league switched from 4v4 overtime to 3v3 in 2015, it's still too high if you ask me.

    The solution: Just increase the length of three-on-three overtime to further minimize the number of games that ultimately make it to a shootout. If you bump OT from five minutes to 10 minutes, you get more of the good stuff and less of the bad stuff. But if some games are going to still make it to the shootout, why don't we attempt to fix that too while we're at it?

    There haven't been many memorable shootouts in recent memory -- at least not at the NHL level. Think about the last great shootout you remember. What was it? Let me guess, it was this one:

    Yeah, thought so. Jocelyne Nicole Lamoureux-Davidson's game winner in the 2018 Winter Olympics of course comes to mind as well, but she only shot twice in that shootout. Oshie was sent to the ice SIX times, and scored on four of them. That's the chaos I'm going for with this.

    NHL shootouts would be a lot more interesting if they took the international rules and allowed the best players to take multiple attempts, notably like Oshie did in the clip above. You'd likely have more goals, more highlights and the potential for epic player-vs-player showdowns to remember. Imagine an Oilers-Avalanche game goes to OT and still can't find a winner. Are you bummed, or are you excited about the possibility of seeing Connor McDavid and Nathan MacKinnon square off in a back-and-forth breakaway showdown? Even if the NHL made three different different skaters take attempts before getting to use a repeat shooter it would be an improvement from the current state of things.

    Scheduling and playoff seeding

    The Problem: In 2008, the league switched away from a scheduling format that saw teams play 32 inter-divisional games, 72 within the conference and only 10 out of conference. Now, every team plays 29 games within their division (4-5 games per opponent), 21 games within the conference (3 games per non-divisional opponent) and 32 out of conference games (2 games per opponent). The reason for the switch was to limit divisional/conference play and allow for the inclusion/promotion of all 30 (now 31) teams across the league.

    That may be part of the reason the league changed its playoff format in 2013 to put an emphasis on divisional rivalries. Instead of using a straight-up 1-8 seeding format, each conference is broken up into two separate divisional brackets. While each division winner draws a Wild Card, the two- and three-seeds in each division automatically match up against one another in the first round.

    The most glaring issue with all of this is that a strong division forces good, successful teams into tougher and more unfair first-round matchups than they deserve. Take last year's Atlantic division, which featured three of the best teams in the entire NHL. The Toronto Maple Leafs finished last season with 100 points (tied for 7th-most in the league), making them the 5th seed in the Eastern Conference. But because the Bruins (107 points, T-2nd in the league) finished behind a historically good Lightning team in the Atlantic, the Leafs had the unfortunate luck of drawing Boston in the first round as Atlantic 2 vs. Atlantic 3. And Toronto lost in seven games... again.

    The Solution: The league should attempt to place a little more emphasis on divisional rivalries during the regular season by finding a medium between the old schedule format and the current one. It doesn't seem necessary for teams to play 32 out of conference games every year, so cut that number in half and have teams face each out of conference foe once per season, with home games alternating each year. That way, every team sees all 30 teams at least once per season but divisional and conference games, which typically bring more intrigue, have more shine.

    With divisional/conference rivalries getting more weight in the regular season, go back to a traditional 1-8 seeding format in the playoffs and let the postseason rivalry matchups happen naturally without trying to force them in the early rounds. And if we want to get really bold here, I like the idea of completely re-seeding the playoff picture before the third round, having the final four teams seeded based on their regular season records. This would essentially eliminate "conference finals" and sometimes make it hard to crown a conference champion, but it would open up the possibility for divisional/conference foes meeting in the Stanley Cup Final. There's no better way to beef up a rivalry than letting two teams play a best-of-seven for the Cup.

    Offside reviews

    The Problem: Offside reviews have become one of the most infuriating aspects of the new NHL. Since replay review and coaches challenges were implemented a few years ago, the enforcement of the offside rule has been a source of major frustration. We've seen so many goals wiped off the scoreboard because frame-by-frame video analysis revealed that a player entered the zone a millisecond too early or had a skate one or two inches above the blue line as he crossed into the offensive zone. Even worse, some of these reviews inspect zone entries that came well before the goal in question, meaning the entry itself had little effect on the goal-scoring sequence.

    Not only is it infuriating to see games come to a halt as we sit through the tedious breakdowns of replay reviews, but the enforcement of these largely inconsequential plays go against the spirit of the offside rule -- which is put in place to make sure teams aren't cherry-picking and gaining substantial unfair advantages over the defending team.

    If officials miss a substantial or egregious infraction, it's important that they're able to get it right -- and replay can help with that. But a lot of these reviews put a microscopic lens to a sequence that really had no effect on the outcome of the play at all.

    The Solution: Put a time limit on offside reviews or eliminate them altogether. I've always said that if you can't identify an offside in real time or at full speed, it didn't really have much of an impact on the play. It's hard to imagine most fans of the game truly care if a player preceded the puck into the zone by a fraction of a second.

    Also, treat the blue line as a vertical plane (think the end zone goal line in football) and a player wont have to actually have his skate on the ice surface in order to be ruled onside while entering the offensive zone. As the rule currently stands, skaters need to keep at least one skate on the ice surface behind or on the blue line when the puck is entering the zone.

    To the NHL's credit, they've recognized the headache caused by the current offside dilemma and are looking into implementing the vertical plane aspect beginning with next season.

    End of season lottery tournament

    The Problem: Like several other sports, the NHL currently has a draft lottery, which rewards (but doesn't guarantee) tanking for draft position. There's not necessarily a major issue with the current format, other than the fact that every year a few teams just become unbearable to watch toward the end of the regular season as they try to maximize their draft position.

    The Solution: Let's get weird here for a second. What if there was a mini end-of-season tournament that featured, say, the league's four or eight worst teams playing for extra draft lottery balls? Obviously, you would want to limit the number of games played and days it takes to play out, so a single-elimination format might work best -- maybe a best-of-three "final" if you want to minimize randomness. The winner of the tournament increases their odds of landing a top-three pick in the draft.

    Not only does it generate some interest and extra revenue for these stinky teams at the end of a bad season but it also provides a little incentive for the tanking teams to remain competitive and watchable. Plus, it's more entertainment for fans. A battle of the worst is sometimes just as riveting as a battle of the best.

    The idea probably needs a little fleshing out, but I'm here for as much chaos as possible -- even at the bottom of the standings.

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    I like all these solutions, but I'm not sure the draft lotto one is a good idea. It's a little hoakie for starters, to have a tournament of the worst teams just at face value is ugly Also total bottom of the barrel teams stay bad for longer (or at least the fans would view it that way). Imagine how bad a look it would be if a big market team like Chicago or Toronto was in last place, then lost the 'draft tournament' two years in a row or something? Another factor is that the players won't give a fuck about this tournament. Players on the last year of a contract looking at being traded, retiring or signing somewhere else won't give a FUCK about playing for a lottery pick for some 18 year old kid they'll never play with. I heard some retired NHL players say that's the first thing that comes to their mind when they hear this idea, they just won't care.

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    Man this is sad. Oilers player Colby Cave suffered a brain bleed yesterday, and is in a medically induced coma. Really hope this young guy pulls through, his poor wife.

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    Lost a high school classmate like this. One day totally fine and in perfect health, the next they're just gone. Brain aneurysm are scary.

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