Nearly Half of Americans Believe in Creationism

[RBP]

you said homo

[Godfather]

I did Who says we've evolved at all eh

[Acid Trip]

The leading evidence places modern humans at 200,000 old in terms of the emergence of the sub-species homo-sapiens. 10,000 is way too recent. Even behavioral modernity is theorized only as young as 50,000 years old.

I use 10,000 years ago because that was the end of the last Ice Age. It was from then on we started building the massive structures that we can still see today.

Before the last Ice Age there are no discernible human structures that I equate to modern man.

[FBD]

I have nothing against "Creationism", : the concept of a higher power with some influence over evolution and our lives. However, the belief that the earth was created by God less than 10,000 years ago - that's just plain dumb.

luminous beings are we, not this crude matter



chaos has simple matrices of order

I've heard humans are a combination of 37 or so different species. Whether that's accurate is certainly debatable - but that's sort of aside from the point that we're not our bodies any more than we are the house we live in.

[Hal-9000]

My theory is this:

Cave paintings, ancient writings both illustrate and talk about 'divine gods' from the heavens. Often they have halo-like or even helmeted heads in the drawings.What if there was a man named Jesus who walked the Earth 2100 years ago and had 'divine, godlike powers' such as healing by touch and walking on water?

You have to think, there was absolutely NOTHING to be gained from trying to promote a new god...the ONE God, during Roman times. People then were believing in multiple gods and any contrary thinking was rewarded with stonings or crucifixion.

So what was the agenda of the Jesus dude? He certainly wouldn't have gained monetarily...or have the adulation of the entire population, trying to promote this new one God theory...so why? What was the endgame for Jesus and Christianity during that time in history?

God, Jesus, the Holy Ghost.....were all aliens and visited us with only one purpose in mind; to inform us to be better to each other and not ruin the world we live in. To not destroy humanity through our own actions.

Christianity has never been a threat and people who perceive it that way are idiots (if you don't do THIS, you will burn in hell) The message is simple - We are all part of one living thing and you should endevour to be better to others, as well as yourself. Or in other words - Don't fuck with The Force

[Hal-9000]

unbelievable...my last line above and FBD's picture

[FBD]

hal knows the dilly

[Hal-9000]

I've felt this presence before..

[deebakes]

[Southern Belle]

It's sad that people who don't believe have to imply that people who do believe are dumb or ignorant.
I believe and I don't imply that you non believers are dumb or ignorant. I'll pray for all of you.

[DemonGeminiX]

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/exhibits/index.php

[Godfather]

I would never claim to know if there is or isn't a God, or laugh at someone for being theistic. That's wrong, end of discussion.

But the Biblical young Earth just can't grab me, it's a huge problem I had with being raised Catholic. Look at Geology and the Bible. It's something you can see with little difficulty, much more easily than the age of the Universe or evolution. We know how long it takes for the wind and the rain to wear down a mountain, how long it takes glacial melts to turn a rapid river into winding billabongs, how slowly the continents drift, and the hot crust takes to form new islands in Hawaii or Iceland. This doesn't involve carbon dating... you can see Everest grow 2 inches a year, or Niagra Falls erode at an ever greater rate. These are processes very obviously carved through millions of years

Do people sleep at night with these questions unanswered... or unasked. I get 'blind faith, but how can you not care that the Grand Canyon is 16 million years old, or that the Urals are where they are, and have been there 250 million years... all when Genesis basically tells us the entire planet is 6-10,000 years old?

[Southern Belle]

And where in Genesis does it say that?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

And where in Genesis does it say that?

Where did a young-earth worldview come from?

Simply put, it came from the Bible. Of course, the Bible doesn’t say explicitly anywhere, “the earth is 6,000 years old.” Good thing it doesn’t; otherwise it would be out of date the following year. But we wouldn’t expect an all-knowing God to make that kind of a mistake.

God gave us something better. In essence, He gave us a “birth certificate.” For example, using my personal birth certificate, I can calculate how old I am at any point. It is similar with the earth. Genesis 1 says that the earth was created on the first day of creation (Genesis 1:1–5). From there, we can begin calculations of the age of the earth.

Let’s do a rough calculation to show how this works. The age of the earth can be estimated by taking the first 5 days of creation (from earth’s creation to Adam), then following the genealogies from Adam to Abraham in Genesis 5 and 11, then adding in the time from Abraham to today.

Adam was created on Day 6, so there were 5 days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11.3 Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago).

So a simple calculation is:

5 days
+ ~2000 years
+ ~4000 years
______________
~6000 years

At this point, the first 5 days are negligible. Quite a few people have done this calculation using the Masoretic text (which is what most English translations are based on) and, with careful attention to the biblical details, have arrived at the same time-frame of about 6,000 years, or about 4,000 B.C. Two of the most popular, and perhaps the best in my opinion, are a recent work by Dr. Floyd Jones and a much earlier book by Archbishop James Ussher (1581–1656):



Often, there is a misconception that Ussher and Jones were the only ones to do a chronology and arrive a date of about 6,000 years. However this is not the case at all. Jones gives a listing of several chronologists who have undertaken the task of calculating the age of the earth based on the Bible and their calculations range from 5501 to 3836 B.C.

[Jezter]

I was just about to post the same stuff, Lance. You beat me.