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    Old School Bill Nye: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children



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    Denial of evolution is unique to the United States. I mean, we're the world's most advanced technological—I mean, you could say Japan—but generally, the United States is where most of the innovations still happens. People still move to the United States. And that's largely because of the intellectual capital we have, the general understanding of science. When you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in that, it holds everybody back, really.

    Evolution is the fundamental idea in all of life science, in all of biology. It's like, it's very much analogous to trying to do geology without believing in tectonic plates. You're just not going to get the right answer. Your whole world is just going to be a mystery instead of an exciting place.

    As my old professor, Carl Sagan, said, "When you're in love you want to tell the world." So, once in a while I get people that really—or that claim—they don't believe in evolution. And my response generally is "Well, why not? Really, why not?" Your world just becomes fantastically complicated when you don't believe in evolution. I mean, here are these ancient dinosaur bones or fossils, here is radioactivity, here are distant stars that are just like our star but they're at a different point in their lifecycle. The idea of deep time, of this billions of years, explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your world view just becomes crazy, just untenable, itself inconsistent.

    And I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, in your world that's completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that's fine, but don't make your kids do it because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can—we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems.

    It's just really hard a thing, it's really a hard thing. You know, in another couple of centuries that world view, I'm sure, will be, it just won't exist. There's no evidence for it.

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    So all people of faith are all morons? There are people that hold the same position on global warming being man-made. For him to predict what we are are capable of knowing centuries from now is as naive as assuming there is any one right answer.
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    For sure. While I don't believe in creationism either, I was very surprised to see him be so blunt, presumptive and nasty. Certainly not the Bill Nye I remember from elementary school science class

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    So all people of faith are all morons? There are people that hold the same position on global warming being man-made. For him to predict what we are are capable of knowing centuries from now is as naive as assuming there is any one right answer.
    I counter with logic from the man himself


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    Quote Originally Posted by Loser View Post
    I counter with logic from the man himself

    I don't know who that is and didn't get the counterpoint, but I understand the position of atheistic science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    So all people of faith are all morons?
    Neil deGrasse Tyson.

    And he said.."God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance."..."The day you stop looking because you're content god did it, I don't need you in the lab! You are USELESS on the frontier of understanding the nature of the world."

    Pretty much the very definition of moron. Sorry.

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    I'm sorry, I shouldn't say all people of faith are morons, because the fact is they're not, but to blindly believe something without seeking the truth of it, is assinine.

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    Creationists are morons, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loser View Post
    Neil deGrasse Tyson.

    And he said.."God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance."..."The day you stop looking because you're content god did it, I don't need you in the lab! You are USELESS on the frontier of understanding the nature of the world."

    Pretty much the very definition of moron. Sorry.

    No need to be sorry, I think it's unfortunate that spiritual possibilities, in whatever form, are incompatible with "science." Seems to me that a more inclusive definition of science serves both purposes well.
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    People who don't believe in Creationism are morons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Belle View Post
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    People who don't believe in Creationism are morons
    . God bless you Belle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Belle View Post
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    People who don't believe in Creationism are morons


    At one point in my life I did believe. Then I started asking questions my CCD teachers couldn't, or flat out refused to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    No need to be sorry, I think it's unfortunate that spiritual possibilities, in whatever form, are incompatible with "science." Seems to me that a more inclusive definition of science serves both purposes well.
    Yes, but you have to understand the point I'm trying to make. A person can be scientific, logical, and still have faith in god, but only if they still have the will and intelligence to continue in their attempt to understand how things work.

    There's no room in science for people that just exclude entire theorems because they believe their god did/created it.

    Creationism does exactly that.

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    I think there's room for science in creationism. It's not a problem for me.

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    I respect Bill Nye and Neil Tyson.. I value their opinions because they always (to me) seem to be genuine and based on logic..

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