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    December 07, 1941
    Pearl Harbor bombed





    At 7:55 a.m. Hawaii time, a Japanese dive bomber bearing the red symbol of the Rising Sun of Japan on its wings appears out of the clouds above the island of Oahu. A swarm of 360 Japanese warplanes followed, descending on the U.S. naval base at Pearl Harbor in a ferocious assault. The surprise attack struck a critical blow against the U.S. Pacific fleet and drew the United States irrevocably into World War II.

    With diplomatic negotiations with Japan breaking down, President Franklin D. Roosevelt and his advisers knew that an imminent Japanese attack was probable, but nothing had been done to increase security at the important naval base at Pearl Harbor. It was Sunday morning, and many military personnel had been given passes to attend religious services off base. At 7:02 a.m., two radar operators spotted large groups of aircraft in flight toward the island from the north, but, with a flight of B-17s expected from the United States at the time, they were told to sound no alarm. Thus, the Japanese air assault came as a devastating surprise to the naval base.

    Much of the Pacific fleet was rendered useless: Five of eight battleships, three destroyers, and seven other ships were sunk or severely damaged, and more than 200 aircraft were destroyed. A total of 2,400 Americans were killed and 1,200 were wounded, many while valiantly attempting to repulse the attack. Japan’s losses were some 30 planes, five midget submarines, and fewer than 100 men. Fortunately for the United States, all three Pacific fleet carriers were out at sea on training maneuvers. These giant aircraft carriers would have their revenge against Japan six months later at the Battle of Midway, reversing the tide against the previously invincible Japanese navy in a spectacular victory.

    The day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, President Roosevelt appeared before a joint session of Congress and declared, “Yesterday, December 7, 1941–a date which will live in infamy–the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.” After a brief and forceful speech, he asked Congress to approve a resolution recognizing the state of war between the United States and Japan. The Senate voted for war against Japan by 82 to 0, and the House of Representatives approved the resolution by a vote of 388 to 1. The sole dissenter was Representative Jeannette Rankin of Montana, a devout pacifist who had also cast a dissenting vote against the U.S. entrance into World War I. Three days later, Germany and Italy declared war against the United States, and the U.S. government responded in kind.

    The American contribution to the successful Allied war effort spanned four long years and cost more than 400,000 American lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Monk View Post
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    You miss so much shit its hilarious, this was declassified years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBD View Post
    its absolutely unreal that they let this happen so as to have an excuse to declare war on Japan
    I don't buy the theory, despite what some have claimed unclassified documents prove.

    There are numerous books on papers written on the subject that cast a ton of doubt on what FDR knew, but it's an intriguing debate. Prange's Pearl Harbor: The Verdict of History is a good one that touches on the primary documents and theories. Some great historians have looked for the smoking gun but have yet to find one.

    The McCollum memo is a big one that conspiracy theorists point to, but it's not concrete evidence by any stretch when you dive into it. The FDR-Roosevelt transcripts purportedly from November 41 were proven to be forgeries.
    Navy Cryptology was also not able to read the IJN's codes in the lead up to war, until into 1942 for it to start happening in a meaningful way. A lot of the documents pointed to fall all apart under historical examination.Day of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor by Robert Stinnett claims documents from Freedom of Information Act Files prove FDR had prior knowledge, but his conclusions have been ripped to shreds by historians.

    And even the logic doesn't hold up. The US could have fought over the Philippines and Guam, with a war starting there. FDR served as SECNAV - There's no common sense reason to think he would intentionally allow his fleet to be nearly crippled and battleships (still seen as key at the time) to be lost, to set the war off with the fleet and morale in Hawaii at rock bottom. The only way that makes sense is if you think FDR wanted the war to start on the worst possible footing.

    I do think a lot of early warnings were ignored particularly by Admiral Kimmel and General Short in Hawaii and General MacArthur in the Philippines, but stupidity and a lack of preparedness or strategic imagination is not proof of a conspiracy.


    I don't really think my little rant will change your mind - but I'm curious about one point. Why would you say it's unreal the US let this happen, if you believe that's the case? You tend to believe more alternative history theories than most (I think that's fair to say without being combative). Why would this one surprise you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather View Post
    I don't buy the theory, despite what some have claimed unclassified documents prove.

    There are numerous books on papers written on the subject that cast a ton of doubt on what FDR knew, but it's an intriguing debate. Prange's Pearl Harbor: The Verdict of History is a good one that touches on the primary documents and theories. Some great historians have looked for the smoking gun but have yet to find one.

    The McCollum memo is a big one that conspiracy theorists point to, but it's not concrete evidence by any stretch when you dive into it. The FDR-Roosevelt transcripts purportedly from November 41 were proven to be forgeries.
    Navy Cryptology was also not able to read the IJN's codes in the lead up to war, until into 1942 for it to start happening in a meaningful way. A lot of the documents pointed to fall all apart under historical examination.Day of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor by Robert Stinnett claims documents from Freedom of Information Act Files prove FDR had prior knowledge, but his conclusions have been ripped to shreds by historians.

    And even the logic doesn't hold up. The US could have fought over the Philippines and Guam, with a war starting there. FDR served as SECNAV - There's no common sense reason to think he would intentionally allow his fleet to be nearly crippled and battleships (still seen as key at the time) to be lost, to set the war off with the fleet and morale in Hawaii at rock bottom. The only way that makes sense is if you think FDR wanted the war to start on the worst possible footing.

    I do think a lot of early warnings were ignored particularly by Admiral Kimmel and General Short in Hawaii and General MacArthur in the Philippines, but stupidity and a lack of preparedness or strategic imagination is not proof of a conspiracy.


    I don't really think my little rant will change your mind - but I'm curious about one point. Why would you say it's unreal the US let this happen, if you believe that's the case? You tend to believe more alternative history theories than most (I think that's fair to say without being combative). Why would this one surprise you?
    To accept that premise is to accept as normal things like they just happened to park their old boats in pearl harbor and all the new ones were well away, I dont think it was as crippling as is led on.

    Unreal that they let this happen mainly just equates to its crazy how fucked up people are and the fucked up things they will do to others. All wars are banker wars. ALL of 'em. The banks and internationalists are the ones who make out like bandits each and every time.

    I dont really kneejerk to being combative, but I do reciprocate I always welcome intelligent discussion and people's opinions on stuff when they respond seriously, and I appreciate that you took the time to reason out a good response

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    December 15, 1971
    Bill of Rights is finally ratified


    Following ratification by the state of Virginia, the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution, known collectively as the Bill of Rights, become the law of the land.

    In September 1789, the first Congress of the United States approved 12 amendments to the U.S. Constitution and sent them to the states for ratification. The amendments were designed to protect the basic rights of U.S. citizens, guaranteeing the freedom of speech, press, assembly, and exercise of religion; the right to fair legal procedure and to bear arms; and that powers not delegated to the federal government would be reserved for the states and the people.

    Influenced by the English Bill of Rights of 1689, the Bill of Rights was also drawn from Virginia’s Declaration of Rights, drafted by George Mason in 1776. Mason, a native Virginian, was a lifelong champion of individual liberties, and in 1787 he attended the Constitutional Convention and criticized the final document for lacking constitutional protection of basic political rights. In the ratification struggle that followed, Mason and other critics agreed to support the Constitution in exchange for the assurance that amendments would be passed immediately.

    On December 15, 1791, Virginia became the 10th of 14 states to approve 10 of the 12 amendments, thus giving the Bill of Rights the majority of state ratification necessary to make it legal. Of the two amendments not ratified, the first concerned the population system of representation, while the second prohibited laws varying the payment of congressional members from taking effect until an election intervened. The first of these two amendments was never ratified, while the second was finally ratified more than 200 years later, in 1992.



    December 15, 1978
    United States announces that it will recognize communist China


    In one of the most dramatic announcements of the Cold War, President Jimmy Carter states that as of January 1, 1979, the United States will formally recognize the communist People’s Republic of China (PRC) and sever relations with Taiwan.

    Following Mao Zedong’s successful revolution in China in 1949, the United States steadfastly refused to recognize the new communist regime. Instead, America continued to recognize and supply the Nationalist Chinese government that had been established by Chiang Kai-shek on the island of Taiwan. In 1950, during the Korean War, U.S. and PRC armed forces clashed. During the 1960s, the United States was angered by PRC support and aid to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War.

    By the 1970s, however, a new set of circumstances existed. From the U.S. viewpoint, closer relations with the PRC would bring economic and political benefits. Economically, American businessmen were eager to try and exploit the huge Chinese market. Politically, U.S. policymakers believed that they could play the “China card”—using closer diplomatic relations with the PRC to pressure the Soviets into becoming more malleable on a variety of issues, including arms agreements. The PRC also had come to desire better relations with its old enemy. It sought the large increase in trade with the United States that would result from normalized relations, and particularly looked forward to the technology it might obtain from America. The PRC was also looking for allies. A military showdown with its former ally, Vietnam, was in the making and Vietnam had a mutual support treaty with the Soviets.

    Carter’s announcement that diplomatic ties would be severed with Taiwan (which the PRC insisted on) angered many in Congress. The Taiwan Relations Act was quickly passed in retaliation. It gave Taiwan nearly the same status as any other nation recognized by the United States and also mandated that arms sales continue to the Nationalist government. In place of the U.S. embassy in Taiwan, an “unofficial” representative, called the American Institute in Taiwan, would continue to serve U.S. interests in the country.

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    February 18th, 1885
    Mark Twain publishes “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn”


    On February 18, 1885, Mark Twain publishes his famous—and famously controversial—novel The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

    Twain (the pen name of Samuel Clemens) first introduced Huck Finn as the best friend of Tom Sawyer, hero of his tremendously successful novel The Adventures of Tom Sawyer (1876). Though Twain saw Huck’s story as a kind of sequel to his earlier book, the new novel was far more serious, focusing on the institution of slavery and other aspects of life in the antebellum South.

    At the book’s heart is the journey of Huck and his friend Jim, a runaway enslaved person, down the Mississippi River on a raft. Jim runs away because he is about to be sold and separated from his wife and children, and Huck goes with him to help him get to Ohio and freedom. Huck narrates the story in his distinctive voice, offering colorful descriptions of the people and places they encounter along the way. The most striking part of the book is its satirical look at racism, religion and other social attitudes of the time. While Jim is strong, brave, generous and wise, many of the white characters are portrayed as violent, stupid or simply selfish, and the naive Huck ends up questioning the hypocritical, unjust nature of society in general.

    Even in 1885, two decades after the Emancipation Proclamation and the end of the Civil War, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn landed with a splash. A month after its publication, a Concord, Massachusetts, library banned the book, calling its subject matter “tawdry” and its narrative voice “coarse” and “ignorant.” Other libraries followed suit, beginning a controversy that continued long after Twain’s death in 1910. In the 1950s, the book came under fire from African American groups for being racist in its portrayal of Black characters, despite the fact that it was seen by many as a strong criticism of racism and slavery. As recently as 1998, an Arizona parent sued her school district, claiming that making Twain’s novel required high school reading made already existing racial tensions even worse.

    Aside from its controversial nature and its continuing popularity with young readers, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn has been hailed by many serious literary critics as a masterpiece. No less a judge than Ernest Hemingway famously declared that the book marked the beginning of American literature: “There was nothing before. There has been nothing as good since.”


    February 18, 2011
    Green River serial killer pleads guilty to 49th murder


    On February 18, 2011, in a Kent, Washington, courtroom, Gary Leon Ridgway pleads guilty to the 1982 aggravated, first-degree murder of his 49th victim, 20-year-old Rebecca Marrero. Marrero’s remains were found in December 2010, decades after her murder, in a ravine near Auburn, Washington. After entering his guilty plea, the 62-year-old Ridgway received his 49th life sentence without the possibility of parole and returned to the Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla, where he was already serving 48 consecutive life sentences, one for each of the other women he killed.

    In the 1980s, residents of Washington State were terrorized by the so-called Green River Killer, whose first five victims’ bodies were discovered in or near the Green River in King County (whose largest city is Seattle) in the summer of 1982. The strangled bodies of more victims soon appeared around King County; all were women, most of them young and many of them prostitutes, runaways and drug users. Ridgway, a thrice-married truck painter from Auburn, became a suspect after one of the victims was spotted getting into his truck. However, when questioned by police, he denied any knowledge of the slayings and passed a 1984 polygraph test. In 2001, he was finally arrested after DNA evidence (a technology not available when he began committing his crimes) connected him to some of the killings.

    In a controversial 2003 plea deal, Ridgway admitted to the murders of 48 women between 1982 and 1998, and prosecutors agreed not to seek the death penalty against him if he cooperated with police in locating the remains of dozens of his victims. Ridgway reportedly claimed to have murdered more than 60 women in King County, although authorities at the time could only find sufficient evidence to link him to the 48 slayings. (Ridgway’s plea deal was limited to murders in King County; if, in the future, he is linked to unsolved killings in other counties or states, he could be eligible for the death penalty.)

    Ridgway told authorities he began to think of murdering prostitutes as his career, and did it “because he hated them, didn’t want to pay them for sex, and because he knew he could kill as many as he wanted without getting caught,” according to The Seattle Times. The serial killer said he picked up women off the street, strangled them in his home or truck, and meticulously hid their bodies near natural landmarks (such as trees or fallen logs) in an attempt to keep track of them.


    February 18, 1930
    Pluto discovered


    Pluto, once believed to be the ninth planet, is discovered at the Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona, by astronomer Clyde W. Tombaugh.

    The existence of an unknown ninth planet was first proposed by Percival Lowell, who theorized that wobbles in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune were caused by the gravitational pull of an unknown planetary body. Lowell calculated the approximate location of the hypothesized ninth planet and searched for more than a decade without success. However, in 1929, using the calculations of Lowell and W.H. Pickering as a guide, the search for Pluto was resumed at the Lowell Observatory in Arizona. On February 18, 1930, Tombaugh discovered the tiny, distant planet by use of a new astronomic technique of photographic plates combined with a blink microscope. His finding was confirmed by several other astronomers, and on March 13, 1930—the anniversary of Lowell’s birth and of William Herschel’s discovery of Uranus—the discovery of Pluto was publicly announced.

    With a surface temperature estimated at approximately -360 Fahrenheit, Pluto was appropriately given the Roman name for the god of the underworld in Greek mythology. Pluto’s average distance from the sun is nearly four billion miles, and it takes approximately 248 years to complete one orbit. It also has the most elliptical and tilted orbit of any planet, and at its closest point to the sun it passes inside the orbit of Neptune, the eighth planet.

    After its discovery, some astronomers questioned whether Pluto had sufficient mass to affect the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. In 1978, James Christy and Robert Harrington discovered Pluto’s only known moon, Charon, which was determined to have a diameter of 737 miles to Pluto’s 1,428 miles. Together, it was thought that Pluto and Charon formed a double-planet system, which was of ample enough mass to cause wobbles in Uranus’ and Neptune’s orbits. In August 2006, however, the International Astronomical Union announced that Pluto would no longer be considered a planet, due to new rules that said planets must “clear the neighborhood around its orbit.” Since Pluto’s oblong orbit overlaps that of Neptune, it was disqualified.

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    -1945 U.S. Marines storm ashore at Iwo Jima.

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    -2014 Ukrainian "Revolution" of 2014 begins as protesters, riot police and unknown shooters take part in violent events in the capital, Kiev, culminating after five days in the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych (of course they're not going to mention who helped make this happen, I'm sure some of you have heard of the demented stuttering old fool who very often doesnt know where he is, what he's doing, or what paper it is that he's signing)

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    -1981 20-year-old Edmonton center Wayne Gretzky becomes first player in NHL history to score 5 career hat-tricks before age 21; scores 5 goals and 2 assists in 9-2 Oilers' home win against St. Louis

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    1821
    Mexico gains independence from Spain.

    1991
    General Norman Schwarzkopf, commander of the coalition army, sends in ground forces during the Gulf War.

    (I remember watching this on the news at my uncle's in Switzerland)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    1821
    Mexico gains independence from Spain.

    1991
    General Norman Schwarzkopf, commander of the coalition army, sends in ground forces during the Gulf War.

    (I remember watching this on the news at my uncle's in Switzerland)

    I was watching on tele too while removalists were taking out my furniture for a move to Kalgoorlie. Tele was about the last thing loaded.

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    I was a freshman in high school at that time, I remember thinking well fuck Saddam if he cant stop violating resolutions for the int'l community and shit, but that was before it was revealed that the Kuwaitis had the wink and nod from the Bushes to steal Saddam's oil

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