Judge rules New York police's 'stop and frisk' tactics unconstitutional

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Bernard Vaughan - Reuters




NEW YORK (Reuters) - The New York City Police Department's controversial "stop and frisk" crime-fighting tactics violate the U.S. Constitution, a federal judge ruled on Monday.

U.S. District Judge Shira Scheindlin said the city police adopted a policy of "indirect racial profiling" by targeting racially defined groups for stops.

The practice resulted in disproportionate, discriminatory stopping of blacks and Hispanics that the city's highest officials "turned a blind eye" toward.

"No one should live in fear of being stopped whenever he leaves his home to go about the activities of daily life," Scheindlin wrote in her opinion.

The class action was considered the broadest legal challenge to stop and frisk, a tactic in which city police stop people they suspect of unlawful activity and frisk those they suspect are carrying weapons.

Scheindlin's decision follows an exhaustive nine-week trial that pitted the NYPD's interest in keeping New York's crime rate down against black and Latino plaintiffs who felt discriminated against. Scheindlin presided over the trial without a jury.

As part of her ruling, Scheindlin ordered the appointment of an independent monitor to oversee compliance with other remedies she ordered.

The NYPD did not immediately comment on the decision.

[deebakes]

good

[Hal-9000]

for argument's sake.....if there's a group of 100 people, various colors and race. And statistics say that over 70% of a certain color/race within that group commit crimes, is it profiling to search that group, or it is statistical bias with proof?

[RBP]

for argument's sake.....if there's a group of 100 people, various colors and race. And statistics say that over 70% of a certain color/race within that group commit crimes, is it profiling to search that group, or it is statistical bias with proof?

I article I read said that the original intent was to reduce murders. 80% of the murders in NYC are committed by minorities, mostly black. 80% of the people stopped and frisked were minorities. I don't consider that discriminatory. If it were 50% committed the crime and 80% stopped, then they'd have a point. Profiling is not automatically a bad thing.

[Hal-9000]

On a show called Homeland, the old CIA operative says - We'll start looking at brown people first.....then a younger operative says - Hey, isn't that racial profiling???

Old guy responds - No, that's accurate profiling

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Profling Quiz

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:

a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by :

a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:

a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d . Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980′s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:

a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:

a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:

a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill’s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:

a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. On November 5, 2009, in Fort Hood Army base, Texas, 13 people were shot to death and 30 wounded by:

a. Sarah Palin
b. An angry white conservative blogger
c. A TEA Party grandma
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

15. On December 25, 2009, the person who tried to blow up a Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Detroit but whose underwear burnt when the plastic explosives blew up was:

a. Roman Catholic
b. A card-carrying member of the NRA
c. An 80-year-old woman with titanium knee replacements
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

16. On September 17, 2010, the six street cleaners arrested by London police for a suspected assassination plot against the Pope are:

a. Blue-eyed blond Norwegians
b. Las Vegas lap dancers
c. Conservative Americans who “cling to their Bible and guns”
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

[KevinD]

for argument's sake.....if there's a group of 100 people, various colors and race. And statistics say that over 70% of a certain color/race within that group commit crimes, is it profiling to search that group, or it is statistical bias with proof?

Like it or not, It's a citizens constitutional right to NOT be treated this way.

The class action was considered the broadest legal challenge to stop and frisk, a tactic in which city police stop people they suspect of unlawful activity and frisk those they suspect are carrying weapons.

I may never agree with anything else this Judge decides, but this is absolutely correct. You CAN NOT stop and search someone for a "suspicion"

[Hal-9000]

Profling Quiz

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:

a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by :

a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:

a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d . Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. During the 1980′s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:

a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:

a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:

a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:

a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill’s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:

a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. On November 5, 2009, in Fort Hood Army base, Texas, 13 people were shot to death and 30 wounded by:

a. Sarah Palin
b. An angry white conservative blogger
c. A TEA Party grandma
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

15. On December 25, 2009, the person who tried to blow up a Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Detroit but whose underwear burnt when the plastic explosives blew up was:

a. Roman Catholic
b. A card-carrying member of the NRA
c. An 80-year-old woman with titanium knee replacements
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

16. On September 17, 2010, the six street cleaners arrested by London police for a suspected assassination plot against the Pope are:

a. Blue-eyed blond Norwegians
b. Las Vegas lap dancers
c. Conservative Americans who “cling to their Bible and guns”
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

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very revealing list Lance, thanks

[DemonGeminiX]

It should be required for everyone in all levels of government to memorize the U.S. Constitution before they apply for their jobs.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I may never agree with anything else this Judge decides, but this is absolutely correct. You CAN NOT stop and search someone for a "suspicion"

Yes, we shouldn't racially profile because people might get their feelings hurt, so by all means in cities like Chicago and New York and LA, don't be pro-active, wait until some punk gangbanger does his drive-by and his stray bullets kill some kids and their grandma....and at all airports, make sure you let Mustaffa thru, but check the 95 year old lady in a wheelchair and better confiscate the miniature toy sword from the 5 year old carrying his Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle toys, because as we all know, those are the real threats out there.

Better to be sensitive to people's feelings instead of saving a few lives right?

[KevinD]

Yes, we shouldn't racially profile because people might get their feelings hurt, so by all means in cities like Chicago and New York and LA, don't be pro-active, wait until some punk gangbanger does his drive-by and his stray bullets kill some kids and their grandma....and at all airports, make sure you let Mustaffa thru, but check the 95 year old lady in a wheelchair and better confiscate the miniature toy sword from the 5 year old carrying his Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle toys, because as we all know, those are the real threats out there.

Better to be sensitive to people's feelings instead of saving a few lives right?

I said nothing like that. What I meant is that the judge is indeed right. Police can not stop or frisk folks arbitrarily. We all seems to agree on the 1st and 2nd amendments, why no support for the 4th?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

While I will absolutely agree that there is a certain portion of our population that commits the majority of violent crime, I think that unlawful search on people that may happen to be part of that portion, is yet another step down the road to a totalitarian future that I for one will fight tooth and nail to stop.
Who's to say that just because a cop may think you are a gun owner, he wouldn't stop and search you on a whim?

[Muddy]

Can you nookahs guess what color I am?

[KevinD]

What chu talkin bout Willis?