The U.S. Government Shutdown

[KevinD]

That's pretty much it Hal. If you want specifics, then there isn't really a quick easy answer. These things have building for decades, and quite simply, there is no easy way to resolve it.
I wouldn't be able to understand the intricacies of the Canadian government without some serious study.

[KevinD]

I suppose, if you could see it from my view, it would be a battle between the powers that be (both dems and reps), the producers (working folks) and the burdens (non working)
Obviously, as a member of the working class, my bitch is about all those who don't (not can't, but don't) work and provide for themselves. My other bitch is the politicians (on both sides) who seem to believe that they have unlimited power and the right to decide what is best for all of us.

[Hal-9000]

I read in another thread that some gov workers are being forced to work without pay or the promise of pay that will come later.

Is this part of the fallout?


I mean the headlines are brutal - Republicans Shut Down Government! ..or The White House In Turmoil, Will America Survive?


sounds like they're getting attacked or the economy is so bad that the US will collapse because of it....and it's based on one bill (Obamacare) that's starting this shitshow?

[Muddy]

It's nothing more than Political Theater, Hal - because the House is passing these ridiculous partial funding bills - still holding the country hostage, and the Senate refuses to vote on a partial funding bill, they want the House to do its job, and pass an entire funding bill - as the Constitution requires them to do - with no rider to change existing laws (Obamacare).

[PorkChopSandwiches]

And they are really only seeming to defund things for public use, not any of their own waste

[Muddy]

Exactly.. They're teaching us a lesson.. Trying to build a coup..

[PorkChopSandwiches]

They even have the money to shut down private visitor destinations

http://www.tehfalloutshelter.com/sho...d-Mount-Vernon

[KevinD]

It's nothing more than Political Theater, Hal - because the House is passing these ridiculous partial funding bills - still holding the country hostage, and the Senate refuses to vote on a partial funding bill, they want the House to do its job, and pass an entire funding bill - as the Constitution requires them to do - with no rider to change existing laws (Obamacare).

Not true. House passed bills fully funding the federal government, except for Obamacare (or the ACA) that was rejected by senate. Then house passed bill again fully funding government, except to delay the individual mandate (employer mandate already delayed by presidential fiat, mass exemptions) The Senate refuses to meet and debate any bill that does not fully fund the Fed, with basically unlimited spending (at least until the debt ceiling debate). This is all he said/she said, true enough. These tactics have been used many times by the Democrats, but when Republicans do it...they are evil, terrorist, etc, etc.

Hal,
Government employees are indeed not getting paid. However, despite what some media would like you to believe, history has shown that in all previous cases, full back pack has resulted. Will this cause problems for some employees that are living paycheck to paycheck? Yes it will.

[KevinD]

I stand corrected. Sorry, Muddy, I missed the piecemeal parts.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/harry-...rticle/2536769

[Muddy]

They just reinstated fema for the upcoming hurricane/ trop depr.

[DemonGeminiX]

[Jezter]

So...who wants to move to Finland? I've got one couch spot open.

[Southern Belle]

Way too cold for me!

[Jezter]

Easier to deal with cold than dysfunctional country.

[FBD]

the democrats cant/wont do a budget because there's at least a few people in there that realize how preposterously far off their math is, and they dont want to let the people know how utterly fkd the country's finances are.