Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham: Is creation a viable model of origins in today’s modern, scientific era?

[PorkChopSandwiches]

[PorkChopSandwiches]

The Ken Ham guys biggest argument is "you werent there, you dont know"

[DemonGeminiX]

2 hours, 45 minutes, and 33 seconds

You really believe people are going to sit down and watch this?

[Muddy]

Ok, im at an hour and 29 and i need a break.. Honestly.. I dont think anything bill nye will say will ever change the way a creationist thinks.. Creationists are just taught at a certain level to just blindly accept. Have faith.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

Maybe, I had it running in the background at work. I had to hear the creationists side. Hoping they had something remotely viable. It's obvious they picked the wrong guy for the argument.

[Muddy]

Im 55 minutes in and at his point id like to ask Dr Ham.. " What historical evidence do you offer up to defend your views on creationism"? Now, back to the show...

[Hugh_Janus]

the bible.... next question

[Griffin]

I guess I'm the exception then.
I was not force fed any doctrine in my youth and went to church in my teens by choice.
My adult years have been spent without any organized religion influencing my ideology.
So I feel that my belief that all of this is here by design as opposed to a chance joining of random proteins is hardly blind.

[Hal-9000]

I guess I'm the exception then.
I was not force fed any doctrine in my youth and went to church in my teens by choice.
My adult years have been spent without any organized religion influencing my ideology.
So I feel that my belief that all of this is here by design as opposed to a chance joining of random proteins is hardly blind.

I was not force fed any doctrine in my youth
Most of my adult years I was an atheist, always trying to disprove the existence of God
I found Christianity/my spirituality at a time I definitely did not want it or welcome it

Similar to Griff...I believe in evolution, yet I don't believe that a random event created every object in the universe including man. Something can not come from nothing in simplified terms of physics, (matter cannot be created or destroyed, only changed) so the question remains - Where did the particles that formed our universe originate? Or to dumb it down further - The Big Bang was a true event in history according to science, where did the components come from to start the process? They blinked into existence on their own? Now you're talking about God like things....

[FBD]

I was not force fed any doctrine in my youth
Most of my adult years I was an atheist, always trying to disprove the existence of God
I found Christianity/my spirituality at a time I definitely did not want it or welcome it

Similar to Griff...I believe in evolution, yet I don't believe that a random event created every object in the universe including man. Something can not come from nothing in simplified terms of physics, (matter cannot be created or destroyed, only changed) so the question remains - Where did the particles that formed our universe originate? Or to dumb it down further - The Big Bang was a true event in history according to science, where did the components come from to start the process? They blinked into existence on their own? Now you're talking about God like things....

and what is matter, energy
what is the nature of energy?
transformation
the energy potential does not disappear
you can create matter from energy
just the right spark, out of quantum foam "nothingness"
the "void" is not "empty"
quantum mechanics is god's way of saying "hell yeah I play dice, motherfucker!" because something can indeed appear to arise from nothing - but the main point is, there was no energetic potential created that did not already exist, so there is no "creating something from nothing."
at GUT level energies from planck time until x10^-20ish, the energy level of the "universe" was beyond the coefficient of friction - the whole "inflaton" field idea that smooths everything in its wake to such an extent that the first evidence of cosmic microwave background everything was smooth to a preposterously fine level....giving the relative appearance of there having been "nothing" beforehand.
refer to the different concepts of "timelike" which is our normal path through spacetime, vs "spacelike" where speed is beyond time.

evolution and creation are two sides of the same coin. everything flows forth from fundamentals. creationists say god designed the fundamentals and everything else is merely these vectored potentials experiencing paths that are set out by the rules of the construct.

[Muddy]

So you are a creationist grif?

[Griffin]

So you are a creationist grif?

There is no indisputable proof to either side, both argue speculative proof.
My personal belief is that there was a definite thought process behind the "creation" of our being here.

[Muddy]

There is no indisputable proof to either side, both argue speculative proof.
My personal belief is that there was a definite thought process behind the "creation" of our being here.

So thats a yes. Thats cool, everyone is entitled to think what they want..

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