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    Review How can this be conspiracy corner without a 9-11 thread?

    Ok, so if http://www.ae911truth.org doesnt scream false flag enough for ya...

    Try this one on for size, no pun intended...

    http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/Colla...fund_trust.pdf

    makes about 10,000 times more sense than "the official" "report"

    sorry its long but there's a lot of history and shit in here.

    yeah, how many people asked why the flight that hit the pentagon did a 270 flyaround to specifically hit the west side of it, when it was the north side (a straighter far easier and quicker shot) that housed "the most obvious targets for Al Quaeda."

    It must be noted that the Office of Naval Intelligence in the Pentagon, which sustained a direct hit from an
    airliner that day, was without a doubt, a target that was pinpointed for destruction. There are a number of
    indicators that this was the case:
    • The command centers of the US Armed forces and the Office of the Secretary of Defense are located on the
    River and Mall, northern facing segments of the Pentagon.20 This is public information. Either of those
    facades should have been the prime target for a well-planned attack. It needs to be remembered that the
    individuals responsible for September 11 had almost three years to plan their assault. The targets and
    methods were not haphazard.
    • The western facing section of the Pentagon that was attacked had been under constructions for almost two
    years, and would not have been considered as a target, unless it was targeted for a specific reason.
    • The Naval Command Center had been moved into that newly opened section of the Pentagon a month
    earlier21;
    • The attacking aircraft went through great effort to hit the west side of the Pentagon, under either of
    contentious scenarios, looping around the Pentagon by 270 degrees after approaching from the north east, or
    looping 360 degrees with it’s approach from the West. Under either scenario, the additional looping created
    an opportunity with extra flight time for defense systems to take out the attacking plane, and the hijackers
    took a significant risk of being shot down by executing this maneuver. 22(See Figures 1 and 2)
    • If one looks carefully at the Koeppel flight path approach seen in Figure 1, the attacking flight path went
    almost directly over the Whitehouse, bypassing what should be considered a primary target, for a supposedly
    empty section of the Pentagon. With the alternative approach presented by the National Transportation
    Safety Board, the extra distance in the loop would have allowed it to hit either the White House or the
    Capitol had it continued straightforward.
    • Derek Vreeland who claimed to be an agent for Office of Naval Intelligence had predicted the attack several
    weeks in advance23;


    Did Flight 77 “pass” on three primary targets (the White House, the Capitol, and the command centers in the north
    face of the Pentagon) in order to make a precision hit on what should have been known to be an empty segment of
    the Pentagon? Did the pilot, described as having “extraordinary skill,” after years of planning, hit a worthless target?
    World Trade Center

    There were three major securities brokers in the World Trade Center: Cantor Fitzgerald, Eurobrokers and Garbon
    Inter Capital. On the morning of September 11, Flight 11 hit the North Tower at 8:46 right below the floors on
    which Cantor Fitzgerald was situated. Cantor Fitzgerald was the US largest securities dealer7 in the US and
    arguably the primary target.8 Shortly after that, a massive explosion went off just under the FBI offices in the North
    Tower on the 23rd floor, and Garbon Inter Capital on the 25th floor, and in the basement of Tower 1 as well. The
    explosion caused the 22nd through 25th floors above to collapse into an inferno.9 Fires were reported on the 22nd floor
    at 8:47.10 Shortly, thereafter, at 9:03, Flight 175 hit the South Tower right below the floors on which Euro Brokers
    was situated. (See Chart on page 42.) In all three cases, the explosive, fiery destruction consumed the offices in the
    several floors above. At 9:37 Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, targeting one of the few offices that had been moved in the
    newly remodeled section of the Pentagon: the Office of Naval Intelligence.11 Agents of the Office of Naval
    Intelligence had been investigating the financial transactions which in this report are linked to securities being
    managed by those security dealers in the World Trade Center that were targeted. 12 Fortunately, most other agencies
    had not yet been moved back into the targeted section of the Pentagon. 41% of the fatalities in the Twin Towers
    came from two companies that managed U.S. government securities: Cantor Fitzgerald and Eurobrokers.13 31% of
    the 125 fatalities in the Pentagon were from the Naval Command Center that housed the Office of Naval
    Intelligence. 39 of 40 Office of Naval Intelligence employees died. In the vaults beneath the World Trade Center
    Towers, any certificates for bonds were destroyed.14

    Building 7 was evacuated somewhere between 9:00 and 9:30, depending on various claims. Fires and explosions
    spontaneously began at multiple locations inside the building prior to the collapse of either Tower. This observation
    is critical in that the official explanation for the fire is that they started when objects from the collapsing towers
    caused the fires to ignite. Witnesses leaving the building claim to have seen fires already starting, and dead
    bodies.15 The Building ultimately was destroyed in what many unofficial observers now believe was a controlled
    demolition. Building Seven housed the following agencies critical to investigation of financial crimes related to this
    history:

    Export-Import Bank of the US Floor 6
    US Secret Service Floors 9 & 10
    Securities and Exchange Commission Floors 11,12 &13
    Internal Revenue Service Floors 24 & 25
    CIA Floor 25
    Department of Defense Floor 25

    “All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to
    US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran -- the number three guy in that office. "We lost our network, we
    lost all our computers, we lost all the equipment that we use as Secret Service Agents. Everything from machine
    guns to our shotguns to our electronic equipment that we use." A lot of cases had to be closed as a result of
    losing that building.”16(See note for additional references.)

    In the midst of all this, Building 6 was destroyed by explosions from within, before being buried in the rubble of the
    Towers.17 FEMA, the agency charged with investigating the disaster, did not collect any data on this building.
    Building 6 was home to the U.S. Customs agency and the El Dorado Task force, an interagency money-laundering
    group from 55 agencies created in 1992. The El Dorado Task force was responsible for coordinating all major
    money-laundering investigations in the U.S. In the immediate aftermath of September 11, these groups would be
    redirected to investigate terrorist financing.18 On the same day, the Securities and Exchange Commission declared a
    national emergency and for the first time in U.S. history invoked its emergency powers under Securities Exchange
    Act Section 12(k) and eased regulatory restrictions for clearing and settling security trades for the next 15 days.
    These changes would allow an estimated $240 billion in covert government securities to be cleared upon maturity
    without the standard regulatory controls around identification of ownership.19 (The manner in which this was
    accomplished is explained later in the report.)
    this whole thing even goes back and examines covert war-chest thievery going back to WWII, confiscation of Nazi gold and Japanese gold etc that was in the phillipines...and from what this report is saying, served as the beginning of this whole "secret war chest of funds that nobody knows about."



    any of these banks look familiar?
    By the end of the 1980s, the banks that had their agents in the OSS intelligence operations at the end of World War
    II were the banks that would be the dominant global players by 2001.
    • Morgan Guaranty Trust
    • Chase Manhattan
    • Citibank
    • Jardine Matheson
    • UBS
    • Deutschebank
    • HSBC
    Reagan was a useful patsy to them and they didnt count on Hinckley failing

    Unlike other presidential administrations, the Reagan administration was uniquely characterized by having the Vice
    President - who at that time was George H.W. Bush – in control of Foreign Policy. That control was established in
    an agreement between Bush and Reagan prior to their election.79 The agreement was later formalized with
    Executive Order 12333.80 As William Casey’s biographer pointed out, Reagan “knew little about foreign policy and
    cared less...” and as a result sharpies around the President took over and they ran him.”81

    In November 1980, Ronald Reagan was elected to the White House on a slim margin of votes, defeating incumbent
    Jimmy Carter. The few percentage points in votes which were responsible for giving Reagan and Bush the victory
    were attributed to President Carter’s inability to rescue and free hostages being held in Iran.82 The failed rescue
    attempt of the hostages was reported to be the responsibility of Oliver North, Richard Secord and Albert Hakim,
    who planned and controlled the rescue operation. 83 In the meantime, it is reported that the release of the hostages
    by Iran was deliberately delayed by negotiations led by George Bush, and David Kimche of the Israeli Mossad- the
    Israeli equivalent of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, and Saudi businessman Adnan Khashoggi. For $40
    million dollars, the Iranians would delay the release of the hostages until after the election.
    84 The men involved in
    this operation, referred to in the chapters of history as “the October Surprise” were
    • George HW Bush
    • Adnan Khashoggi
    • Oliver North
    • David Kimche
    • Bob Gates
    • Richard Secord
    • William Casey

    Sixty-nine days after the Inauguration, John Hinkley attempted to assassinate President Reagan. Eight days prior to
    that attempt, there were a series of unprecedented policy changes that put George Bush in charge of Foreign Policy
    and National Security. On March 22, 1981, Bush took control of the "Emergency Crisis Management Staff," in a
    Cabinet meeting. That role conferred new roles and powers on Bush, including "unprecedented powers for a vicepresident."
    85 Vice President George Bush was named the leader of the United States ``crisis management '' staff, as a
    part of the National Security Council system.86 Then, on March 30, 1981, eight days after these powers were
    conferred on Bush, President Reagan was shot
    . On that day, there were actually two unsigned versions of National
    Security Directive 1 (NSDD1), one which made Al Haig and another which made George Bush the caretaker of the
    “red phone’ in case of National Emergency. The content of either version has never been released to the public.
    Sixty nine days after the inauguration, the man whose operatives had bribed terrorists in violation of American
    policy and law, the man whose close colleagues and advisors planned a failed rescue attempt which cost the lives of
    US soldiers – all with the purpose of controlling the American Presidency, was now in control of US foreign
    policy.
    withholding significant data before an election...well jeez, color me shocked...

    ...so who's the guy that shot reagan...

    The father of the assassin that put Bush in power was John (a.k.a. Jack) Hinckley, Sr., who was the owner of
    Vanderbilt Oil. Hinckley had been giving maximum donations every year to George H.W. Bush since he started
    running for Congress. “When the Hinckley oil company, Vanderbilt Oil started to fail in the 1960s, Bush, Sr.'s,
    Zapata Oil financially bailed out Hinckley's company. Hinckley had been running an operation with six dead wells,
    but he began making several million dollars a year after the Bush bailout.” John Hinckley, Sr., had also been
    extensively involved in an executive position with U.S. Ministries for World Vision, a widely reported CIA front
    operation. After the Jonestown Massacre, World Vision took over Jonestown. . In The Black Hole of Guyana: The
    Untold Story of the Jonestown Massacre, John Judge painstakingly documents that Jonestown was a CIA operation
    for converting dispossessed and lonely refugees into assassins. In an operation that was falling under Congressional
    investigation, the evidence had to be eliminated – and nearly all the inhabitants were murdered to prevent
    disclosure.

    The assassin John Hinckley’s brother Scott Hinckley, and Neil Bush were not only friends, but had recently partied
    together and were scheduled to have dinner with each other that very day. Also, on the very day John Hinckley
    15
    attempted to kill Reagan, three Department of Energy auditors were pressuring Hinckley’s brother Scott, with a $2
    million penalty. This penalty would later disappear.89 George H.W. Bush, with his new found ‘Emergency’ powers,
    would deny Al Haig’s formal request for an investigation into the assassination attempt.


    Fucking Tom Clancy novel indeed. The more you read about our government...
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    wow, a lot of this is all about taking out the soviets. so much laundering in this article it isnt even funny. when the ruble had problems and the USSR collapsed, it appears to be the direct results of these covert operations....and anyone who didnt do what they were told and kept their mouths shut, was suicided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBD View Post

    yeah, how many people asked why the flight that hit the pentagon did a 270 flyaround to specifically hit the west side of it, when it was the north side (a straighter far easier and quicker shot) that housed "the most obvious targets for Al Quaeda."
    Because that side wasnt under construction






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    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_.../NC21Dj05.html

    Among the reports about suspected insider trading which are mentioned in Crossing the Rubicon/From the Wilderness is a list that was published under the heading "Black Tuesday: The World's Largest Insider Trading Scam?" by the Israeli Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism on September 21, 2001:
    Between September 6 and 7, the CBOE saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options. Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these "insiders" would have profited by almost $5 million.
    On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance; again, assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent "insiders", they would represent a gain of about $4 million.
    [The levels of put options purchased above were more than six times higher than normal.]
    No similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday.
    Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co, which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6. Morgan Stanley's share price fell from $48.90 to $42.50 in the aftermath of the attacks. Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based upon knowledge of the approaching attacks, their purchasers could have profited by at least $1.2 million.
    Merrill Lynch & Co, with headquarters near the Twin Towers, saw 12,215 October $45 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in those shares had been 252 contracts per day (a 1200% increase). When trading resumed, Merrill's shares fell from $46.88 to $41.50; assuming that 11,000 option contracts were bought by "insiders", their profit would have been about $5.5 million.
    European regulators are examining trades in Germany's Munich Re, Switzerland's Swiss Re, and AXA of France, all major reinsurers with exposure to the Black Tuesday disaster. (Note: AXA also owns more than 25% of American Airlines stock, making the attacks a "double whammy" for them.) [17]

    Concerning the statements of the former chairman of the Deutsche Bundesbank Ernst Welteke, their tenor in various press reports put together is as follows:

    German central bank president Ernst Welteke later reports that a study by his bank indicates, "There are ever clearer signs that there were activities on international financial markets that must have been carried out with the necessary expert knowledge," not only in shares of heavily affected industries such as airlines and insurance companies, but also in gold and oil. [Daily Telegraph, 9/23/2001] His researchers have found "almost irrefutable proof of insider trading". [Miami Herald, 9/24/2001] "If you look at movements in markets before and after the attack, it makes your brow furrow. But it is extremely difficult to really verify it." Nevertheless, he believes that "in one or the other case it will be possible to pinpoint the source". [Fox News, 9/22/2001] Welteke reports "a fundamentally inexplicable rise" in oil prices before the attacks [Miami Herald, 9/24/2001] and then a further rise of 13 percent the day after the attacks. Gold rises nonstop for days after the attacks. [Daily Telegraph, 9/23/2001] [18]

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    Yeah I'd say that the official report only serves as an insult to American architecture.

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    its just like if you go read the okc report on the murrow building, no fkn way it was done without explosives and even the military's general on the shit said there was no way in hell the truck bomb did all that.

    all "official" means these days is "sterilized of all useful information, therefore fit for public consumption."

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    So what law did they pass to strip us of our rights after OKC, I dont recall but Im sure it was a scare tactic for something






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    just financial coverups iirc. but look at how much worse finance was okc vs 911. a lot more got hidden and disappeared for 911.

    kinda makes you wonder if they still would have performed 911 if gore got elected. I dont think that would have changed their minds at all. (TPTB, not the patsies that made sure the remote control was uninterrupted for the ride.)

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    Tony Blair is trying hard to censor over 100 communications he had with Bush during the fiasco, as there is still an inquiry underway in the UK. Official word from the White House is that a certain and pivotal communication between Bush and Blair has just gone missing. teehee

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-9391787.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBD View Post
    To far fetched?






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    he should have hired sandy berger

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    Quote Originally Posted by PorkChopSandwiches View Post
    To far fetched?
    no, but...asserting same or similar was used in London didnt strike me as believable. Nor Japan, is this guy trying to say Fukushima had an explosion-assist? Its stuff like that which casts bad light on the rest of the more 'sensible' stuff that has to do with 911....nothing that has to do with 911 really looks "wrong" as it were, that explanation seems possible but the spire sounds...well, not right also. And its rather annoying that "editor's note, this is fully confirmed" has no links, every time he writes it. But the shady nuke stuff does generally fit in with the dark side of israel.

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    I'm curious how you fuse newspaper together with steel, and leave the newpaper intact and readable

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