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    Fix What if the government guaranteed you an income?

    By David R. Wheeler - CNN




    Editor's note: David R. Wheeler lives in Lexington, Kentucky, where he is a freelance writer and a journalism professor at Asbury University. Follow him on Twitter @David_R_Wheeler The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author.

    (CNN) -- First, the bad news: Even if the economy improves, middle-class career paths will continue to disappear as globalization and technological innovation render more jobs obsolete.

    Now, the good news: The fear, stress and humiliation caused by unemployment (and underemployment) can be alleviated with a simple solution.

    And now, the even-better news: This simple solution is starting to find backers on both sides of the political spectrum.

    A monthly cash payment to every American, no questions asked, would solve several of our most daunting challenges. It's called a basic income, and it's cheaper and much more effective than our current malfunctioning safety net, which costs nearly $1 trillion per year.

    The idea of a basic income, sometimes called a guaranteed minimum income or a negative income tax, has been discussed for decades by notable economists like Milton Friedman. In the late 1960s and 1970s, the idea had bipartisan backing before losing steam. Recently, in the face of a sputtering economy, a weak job market and rising income inequality, it has been gathering supporters at an ever-quickening pace.

    In fact, just last month, former U.S. Labor Secretary Robert Reich called a basic income guarantee "almost inevitable."

    The concept of a basic income is not entirely abstract. Several countries, such as Brazil, have achieved notable success with their programs, lifting many people out of poverty. In countries like India, nongovernmental organizations are experimenting with pilot programs in specific areas, with promising results so far.

    The United States is already experimenting with a variation of basic income, even though most people don't realize it. Alaska has a small version, called a Permanent Fund Dividend, which is incredibly popular and made the state one of the most economically equal places in America. Importantly, Alaskans don't consider it "redistribution," but rather "joint ownership."

    The benefits of a basic income on a national scale would be wide-ranging. First, there's the lift to the overall economy if everyone has money to spend. Next, there are the obvious psychological benefits of knowing you can always afford food and shelter. Then there's the societal stability factor: If people's basic economic needs are being met—no matter what the unpredictable job market is doing—we don't have to worry about the potential for civil unrest as a result of mass unemployment.

    Economist Gar Alperovitz told me that a guaranteed minimum income would not only defuse the political crisis posed by worsening long-term unemployment, but would also open up the possibility of a reduction in the length of the work week.

    Due partly to technological innovation, we already have a situation where less work is spread among more people, and this phenomenon will increase in the future. With a basic income, this development is nothing to fear.

    "Once people have the freedom to elect to work less, their capacity to engage in the work of rebuilding community and democracy can increase far beyond what is possible in today's precariously overworked society," Alperovitz said.

    At the moment, the idea of a guaranteed minimum income might be more popular with liberals than conservatives. But lately, conservative thinkers have become more outspoken in their support of the concept.

    Philosopher Matt Zwolinski has made a libertarian case for a basic income. "Conservatives care about limiting the power of government and increasing personal responsibility. ... Compared to our current welfare state, a basic income does both. Instead of a vast bureaucracy of over 120 different antipoverty programs at the federal level, you've got a program so simple it could be administered by a piece of software."

    Furthermore, he said, instead of subjecting the poor to a host of invasive, paternalistic and degrading requirements designed to make sure they're behaving in ways the government approves of, a basic income gives them cash, and asks them to take responsibility for spending that money to improve their own condition.

    Of course, all government programs have imperfections, and the basic income idea has an obvious one: There will still be people incapable of functioning in daily life—people who will spend their money before paying for basic necessities. What should be done about these "moochers"?

    My answer is that housing shelters and soup kitchens could continue to exist, helping people who cannot be helped in any other way. But the cost of these programs is just a tiny fraction of the overall safety net, and in cities with strong religious and philanthropic support, they would not need to be financed by the government at all. No one needs to sleep on the street.

    Another objection: What if people want to work more, not less? No problem. Want multiple jobs? Go right ahead and take them. As advocates of a basic income point out, nothing would keep people from working and earning as much as they want.

    The global economy will experience big and small changes in the coming decades. We must do something to avoid a future of high unemployment and misery. A guaranteed minimal income is a way to start.

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    How much will I get?

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    the freedom to work less
    wtf'n f
    fkn cnn
    you idiots go look up what the permanent fund is before talking about just handing out money.
    but the thing is I cant tell if this is more socially corrupting than giving all the money they mention here out of thin air to banks and executive staffs and boards across the nation...wait, world. both are reprehensible.
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    How much will I pay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinD View Post
    How much will I pay?
    Only your fair share, plus just a little more. But, you'll get free ice cream on Sundays!

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    Hummm....not once does the author mention where the principle for this "permanent fund" will come from.

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    He also doesn't mention the cost, which would be astronomical. Let's just throw out some numbers....

    The author states that it would be a basic minimum income, to cover housing and food more or less. Well, that can't be a static number because the cost of living is different all over the country, but nonetheless, let's use an average number of say $1000/month for every person over the age of 18 and for everyone not collecting Social Security. And let's say for the sake of argument that number is 150 million people give or take. So, give all those people (on average - some will get more, some less, depending on where they live) $1,000/month, every month and that means that the government is handing out $150 billion every month, just on this one program or nearly $2 trillion a year. And this is above and beyond any other liabilities the government also has...just where in the hell does this moron author think an extra $2 trillion a year is going to come from?

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    they've only been printing half that every year since obama got here for chrissakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBD View Post
    they've only been printing half that every year since obama got here for chrissakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBD View Post
    the freedom to work less
    wtf'n f
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    you idiots go look up what the permanent fund is before talking about just handing out money.
    but the thing is I cant tell if this is more socially corrupting than giving all the money they mention here out of thin air to banks and executive staffs and boards across the nation...wait, world. both are reprehensible.
    You cant take just part of the sentence

    their capacity to engage in the work of rebuilding community
    Because all that free time will be used for the betterment of society






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    How much is spent on the poor every year?

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    And how much do these leaches put into their community currently with all their free time






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    Inflation would negate anything like this, so it's pointless.

    It's just putting more strain on the "WORKING" class, to help lazy motherfuckers survive.

    Well, if lazy people don't want to survive, then they don't, tough shit.

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