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Thread: Do the SFPD’s ‘bait bikes’ stop thieves or entrap poor?

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    no because its yours and you put the lojack in it. that's like saying I have a $10k bike, and I put my own GPS tracker in it, and call the cops and they find it when it gets stolen.

    in this case, the state goes and buys expensive bikes and leaves them locked to a bike rack for weeks on end until some motherfucker says "I've seen this bike here every day for the last month, completely unmoved, fuck it"...

    and you dont call that entrapment? oooooookay.

    you arent differentiating at all between people's private property and veritable abuses of the state. its amazing the things people just let wash under the bridge without a care, then all of a sudden are puzzled when civil liberties they themselves value a little more are trampled upon.

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    So what you're saying is, if someone leaves something of theirs unmoved out in public for a certain period of time, even if it's locked up, then it's okay for someone to take it.

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    when did I say theft was ok? all I said was police entrapment is most certainly not ok. I'm just talking facts of reality, if something like a bike sits for months on end even if its locked then it is much more likely to get stolen. because if its been sitting there that long, then someone must not need it? does it bother you that I can put myself inside the mind of a criminal and explore the logic chain without subscribing to it?

    you guys still havent explained how this isn't entrapment.

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    interesting fun fact:

    We tried to use some bolt cutters on a lock....lock was nothing fancy and the bolt cutters bent and did not come close to snipping the lock.


    relating to thread content - if an object is sitting there locked or not, if you didn't pay for it and decide to take it...it's thievery

    Police paid for those bikes and locks, some dude walks up and wants to take it he should be charged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBD View Post
    I'm sorry, I just have a problem with police doing things to entice and entrap Thieves and criminals so that they can put 'em through the ringer and extract revenue from them. its like a double fuck you that they are making sure the value of the bikes is high enough so as to trigger a felony - so how much more in fines etc does the city get vs a misdemeanor?
    FTFY

    And if a plainclothed cop was offering in advance $200 to steal the bike for him it would be enticement and entrapment. Simply leaving property in view is not, locked or otherwise. Prostitution/predator stings are WAY closer to being entrapment than this is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pony View Post
    FTFY

    And if a plainclothed cop was offering in advance $200 to steal the bike for him it would be enticement and entrapment. Simply leaving property in view is not, locked or otherwise. Prostitution/predator stings are WAY closer to being entrapment than this is.
    my underwear are closer to entrapment than this story

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    so by that rationale, I guess mouse traps arent entrapment either

    The key to entrapment is whether the idea for the commission or encouragement of the criminal act originated with the police or government agents instead of with the "criminal."
    although california law permits police "providing opportunity"

    which I feel is basically entrapment. what's the bike? bait. baiting is not somehow entrapment, then? I guess if you guys say so...

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    The key to entrapment is whether the idea for the commission or encouragement of the criminal act originated with the police or government agents instead of with the "criminal."
    Was it the cops idea for the criminal to steal the bike? no. Did the cop encourage him to steal the bike? no.

    Thanks for winning the argument for us with that quote.

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    in the truest sense of the word, the police paid for those bikes..

    the criminal is then stealing the property of someone else

    I mean c'mon the guy walking up to it knows he's stealing

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    did the cop provide the fertile ground and watering, but not the sunlight, for that plant to grow? that's all my point was. I hate underhanded police tactics, and this is one of them.

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    I think that cops should hire real hookers to help when they charge johns to alleviate the ugly specter of entrapment

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    hey, I also think unmarked police cars are ostensible psychological warfare against the population

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBD View Post
    hey, I also think unmarked police cars are ostensible psychological warfare against the population




    real example - up here we have check stops for drunk drivers. They NEVER publish locations or times. I read a story about some of you guys down there protesting check stops because your police didn't publish the intended locations..


    kinda defeats the purpose

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    Fuck em, they are thieves plain and simple. Why not get them for a felony if you are going to make the effort, make it count






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    drunk checks get around by word of mouth pretty quickly here

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