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[Teh One Who Knocks]

I don't even know what this means

[Muddy]

Intersex medical interventions, also known as intersex genital mutilations are surgical, hormonal and other medical interventions performed to modify atypical or ambiguous genitalia and other sex characteristics, primarily for the purposes of making a person's appearance more typical and to reduce the likelihood of future problems.

[RBP]

Intersex medical interventions, also known as intersex genital mutilations are surgical, hormonal and other medical interventions performed to modify atypical or ambiguous genitalia and other sex characteristics, primarily for the purposes of making a person's appearance more typical and to reduce the likelihood of future problems.

Maybe .05%, and most do not have any issues. The "research" numbers have predictably gotten higher to justify the social cause. I saw a frequency comparison to red hair, which is unlikely.

[Muddy]

[Teh One Who Knocks]

https://www.theroot.com/the-roots-cl...out-1839366724

[Muddy]

https://www.theroot.com/the-roots-cl...out-1839366724

The sub-saharan continent has offered so so much to the betterment of fellow man globally.. Let me count the ways..


1. ____________ um..?

[Teh One Who Knocks]

[lost in melb.]

This is a useful debate and there is nothing in your comments to disagree with. However, I am concerned that we have incorrectly defined the core issue.

What I highlighted from your comments is my concern. Start with the last statement about the human condition and assume that includes how much control we exercise over our lives and our children, and how much responsibility we take for same.

If we then focus on the solution in the first statement, i.e. diagnose and publicly fund (because as you said, the former brings the latter) we by design send the message and reinforce the process of abdicating parental, family, and community responsibility to "professionals" (usually the government). (The courts have also played a large role in mandating that parents aren't responsible for children, the government is... which is scary to me.)

I don't doubt your statement about setting the course by age 7. But that's called parenting.

It seems to me that the "external help" approach has massively accelerated the whole system where solutions become only external, "professionals" are better than family/community, diagnosis is required (which drives funding), which increases diagnosis (for more funding), which increases prescriptions (can't not medicate the diagnosis, just ask big pharma), which justifies social workers and IEPs, etc etc... rinse, repeat...

There is your epidemic.

But alas (sigh) the response is closer to, "wow, look at all the resources available to address this epidemic, we never had this when I was raising you guys". No, you didn't, because we we outside playing and burning off that energy before parents told them they were perfect in every way, let them stay inside playing video games while developing no social skills, then became aghast when they were hyper and awkward, so parents give them Ritalin and developed an IEP with the school when they had (completely predictable) "behavior problems". But sure, glad we created a multi-billion-dollar scheme to fix it.

Rob Peter to pay Paul. I know what you're saying. Perhaps how the 'help' is presented is everything. The area I worked in last year was about working with schools to diagnose cognitive language issues. The school can then apply for gov funding to help the kids within the school with an outsourced speech pathologist. Parents have a choice here.

Now this was a private system where the parents are already likely to be more investing in outcomes anyhow. I think this is different to the kind of dependency that you are talking about.

Further to this (just sharing out of interest) we can't meaningfully diagnose or help kids below about 6. It just gets really shaky - we as psychologists and therapists don't quite have the skill set and institutional coordination and nouse to do so. But we are already playing catchup at that age (think about my up to 7 year comment). So every year earlier in the child's age that we can get to this and other developmental issues the better the outcomes. This is the front-line of psychology work. And yes, unfortunately, the earlier you intervene the more intrusive it becomes on the family because there isn't the institutional framework to facilitate this.

I take your point about nannying and unnatural living and think you're spot on. Kids are chucked in front of screens too young, not enough normal healthy outdoor time and not enough to and fro of the play (battle) ground. And then we wonder why they have developmental issues? I share your frustration and don't have a definitive solution but I want to make this point. In many ( but not all) of the kids that we diagnosed with language issues, the parental interviews revealed lack of understanding of what to do to help their kids develop Reading and language skills. So part of our job was to try and encourage better habits after school mostly in the form of less screen time and more interactive activities. Sometimes this is easier said than done. Parents are tired after work and making meals ect. Being a parent isn't easy! But for sure having a bit of expert advice (at least in terms of education - I wouldn't presume to tell them how to parent) and support goes a long way. It need not be a take over their life thing.

The sad truth is also that the parents can't afford to have more than one session with me ( paid for by the school), so I and my colleagues have to then try and teach the school councillors (who are on a school payroll) to basically do part of my job. Next year will be a watershed as we are going to set up student psychologists to train for this kind of work. During their internship they will work for free. But this is just a bandaid. The reality is that from a developmental learning angle all but the most elite schools are woefully ill-equipped to understanding childhood education from a cognitive perspective. Kids fail and fall behind at school not because they are lazy, but because their brains don't work as they should. This really is a specialist area and at the end of the day it's about educators acknowledging this and providing adequate resources for education.

[lost in melb.]

If we then focus on the solution in the first statement, i.e. diagnose and publicly fund (because as you said, the former brings the latter) we by design send the message and reinforce the process of abdicating parental, family, and community responsibility to "professionals" (usually the government). (The courts have also played a large role in mandating that parents aren't responsible for children, the government is... which is scary to me.)

I don't doubt your statement about setting the course by age 7. But that's called parenting.

Just so you don't feel I missed your main point: you are talking about broken to very broken homes here. Problem is the parents here don't know how parent. No idea how to solve this other than indirectly through school systems and intermittent social worker support. Have you ever tried to cold approach an overweight, dumb, toothless parent in a broken drug-infested neighbourhood about how they are not meeting their obligations? At least the kids teacher would be able to understand what you are saying. Take my point?

[lost in melb.]

The sub-saharan continent has offered so so much to the betterment of fellow man globally.. Let me count the ways..


1. ____________ um..?

Extremely horny sluts

[DemonGeminiX]

The sub-saharan continent has offered so so much to the betterment of fellow man globally.. Let me count the ways..


1. ____________ um..?

Actually, if we go back in history, way before fundamental radical Islam took hold (which is a fairly recent thing, circa 1940s or 50s.... look up Sayyid Qutb, it's his fault mainly), then we'll see a bunch of Islamic and Ottoman contributions to science and mathematics. There were a bunch of scholars that got hold of Ancient Greek and Roman documents and decided to research and push it forward. Our numbering scheme (the symbols we use for numbers, e.g. 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) actually comes from the Middle East. We call it Arabic numerals. So they weren't always insane murderous desert people. When they were more secular and tolerant, they helped push advancements in civilization and thought. If we could stop the radicalization and we could get them back to that way of thinking, then the world would be a far better place.

[Goofy]

This is a useful debate and there is nothing in your comments to disagree with. However, I am concerned that we have incorrectly defined the core issue.

What I highlighted from your comments is my concern. Start with the last statement about the human condition and assume that includes how much control we exercise over our lives and our children, and how much responsibility we take for same.

If we then focus on the solution in the first statement, i.e. diagnose and publicly fund (because as you said, the former brings the latter) we by design send the message and reinforce the process of abdicating parental, family, and community responsibility to "professionals" (usually the government). (The courts have also played a large role in mandating that parents aren't responsible for children, the government is... which is scary to me.)

I don't doubt your statement about setting the course by age 7. But that's called parenting.

It seems to me that the "external help" approach has massively accelerated the whole system where solutions become only external, "professionals" are better than family/community, diagnosis is required (which drives funding), which increases diagnosis (for more funding), which increases prescriptions (can't not medicate the diagnosis, just ask big pharma), which justifies social workers and IEPs, etc etc... rinse, repeat...

There is your epidemic.

But alas (sigh) the response is closer to, "wow, look at all the resources available to address this epidemic, we never had this when I was raising you guys". No, you didn't, because we we outside playing and burning off that energy before parents told them they were perfect in every way, let them stay inside playing video games while developing no social skills, then became aghast when they were hyper and awkward, so parents give them Ritalin and developed an IEP with the school when they had (completely predictable) "behavior problems". But sure, glad we created a multi-billion-dollar scheme to fix it.

[Muddy]

Actually, if we go back in history, way before fundamental radical Islam took hold (which is a fairly recent thing, circa 1940s or 50s.... look up Sayyid Qutb, it's his fault mainly), then we'll see a bunch of Islamic and Ottoman contributions to science and mathematics. There were a bunch of scholars that got hold of Ancient Greek and Roman documents and decided to research and push it forward. Our numbering scheme (the symbols we use for numbers, e.g. 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) actually comes from the Middle East. We call it Arabic numerals. So they weren't always insane murderous desert people. When they were more secular and tolerant, they helped push advancements in civilization and thought. If we could stop the radicalization and we could get them back to that way of thinking, then the world would be a far better place.

Sub-saharan Africans have nothing to do with Northern Africa (Egypt etc) or the middle East.

[PorkChopSandwiches]