To be fair, most of the evidence is flimsy and conjecture that can't be proven. I also know that when that happens, it's a sure sign that someone is covering up an action.
In a pure world, people would be put on trial for the deaths of 300 civilians. It seems that in this instance, evidence is so loose and 'unattainable', that an entity will be held accountable because the act so large, and coverup done so poorly.
I am of the opinion that everyone (relevant) is simply going to maintain their views on this matter and nothing will change. US gov, Nato, Ukraine, Russia, etc, etc.
But you dont fake stuff like this, you can only ask why and who was the controlling authority...
no? ok how bout this
no? cripes.
https://twitter.com/MilitaryMaps/sta...696320/photo/1
In terms of exposed overt lies, the only party (that I am aware of) that can be *proven guilty* is Kiev, since they denied they had any Buks in the area....already proven false...
as far as the CIA....well, who knows, wouldnt surprise me, but their operations are so secretive....of course it is for a reason...
Last edited by FBD; 07-21-2014 at 09:38 PM.
Inside tip...Originally Posted by Hal-9000
Hey just because your dodgy satellite imagery shows what appears to be some empty Tim Hortons coffee cups and leftover poutine on paper plates, does NOT mean that Canucks launched that missile.
Besides, where large armaments are concerned we Canadians get anxiety attacks just looking at pictures!!
now what the fk?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...07-18-14-22-48
Rebel leader gives bizarre account of plane crash
MOSCOW (AP) -- A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash - suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.
The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that "a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh," adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.
The Malaysia Airlines Boeing-777 was shot down Thursday, killing all 298 people aboard. The plane was flying 10,000 meters above an area where Ukrainian forces have been fighting separatist rebels. Each side accuses the other of downing the plane.
U.S. intelligence authorities said a surface-to-air missile brought down the plane, and U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power told the U.N. Security Council in New York on Friday that the missile was likely fired from a rebel-held area near the Russian border.
Girkin, also known as Strelkov and allegedly a former Russian military intelligence agent, said he couldn't confirm the information. But it's sure to add to the intense emotions surrounding the crash, with the rebels accused of shooting down the plane.
Girkin said "Ukrainian authorities are capable of any baseness."
He claimed that a large amount of blood serum and medications were found in the wreckage.
someone jacked the dead bodies for hemoglobin????
no way
http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/...ht-shoot-down/
http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/201...n-boeing-mh17/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/militia...ecutor/5391968
from everything I'm reading, its sounding like the ukranian military is getting their asses handed to them in battle in terms of deaths and casualties.
FBD I guess you never watched Lost as you were Amish growing up..
In it, a rich faction went to the trouble and expense of putting a downed jetliner under the ocean, complete with over 200 corpses...
Fiction of course but your recent news post was a little on the creepy side
I saw some of Lost when my pos ex was here and netflix existedafter a while that show just got stupid and I stopped watching it.
want to see what the kiev army is doing in eastern ukr? graphic warning. civilian graphic warning. this is the shit I'm talking about that they simply refuse to report over here.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine...oblast/5389698
Last edited by FBD; 07-21-2014 at 10:29 PM.
Oooh! Look, the US finally released....what the fuck do you even call this?
CNN reports that the US government has released a satellite trajectory map of what it says was the flight's path and the site from which the missile was shot
the image is an old map, Copyright 2010. this is NOT evidence. this is a drawing of what someone thinks occurred. it doesnt even show the change in direction of the MH11's flight path.
might as well have been a crayon drawing.
Dude, the Russian-backed separatists shot down this plane. In all likelihood, with Mother Russia's blessing. End of story.
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Enjoy watching the state department basically admit that their "evidence" is based on youtube and social media posts
Lee begins by asking Harf how the U.S. plans to produce “forensic evidence” proving Russian-backed rebels were behind the attack, to which Hard responds by reeling off talking points before stating, “we know, we saw in social media afterwards….of the pro-Russian separatists bragging about shooting down an aircraft.”
“How is it exactly that you know it was fired from separatist held territory?” asks Lee, to which Harf responds that the evidence is based on “communications posted on YouTube by the Ukrainian government.”
“Is there anything other….than social media?” asks Lee. Harf alludes to an “assessment,” before again reeling off talking points (based on social media and YouTube videos) that blame separatist rebels.
“All you’re willing to present publicly that backs up your version of the story, which may well be the correct version of the story,” states Lee before being interrupted by Harf who sardonically retorts, “may well be.”
“I haven’t seen your evidence that shows that the missile was launched from rebel held territory,” continues Lee. “The only thing you’re willing to put out publicly is the social media accounts,” he adds, before citing other social media accounts that dispute the State Department’s version of events.
Harf asserts that any version of events that challenges the State Department’s version (based again on social media posts) is “illogical.” Lee states that the State Department’s evidence would not stand up to an international investigation.
“The Russians have said we’ve put out our radar images which show this Ukrainian plane near at least….why don’t you put out your…,” states Lee before again being interrupted by Harf.
Last edited by FBD; 07-23-2014 at 12:21 PM.
or basically,
...kinda like they tried to pin those chemical weapons usage on the Syrian gov last year when all the proof pointed to .....
the....people....we....were....running....guns.... to.....
If you're interested in the perspective from the russians, this is pretty spot on. (I dont know who gave this vid its title but that's not really what I got out of what was said)
the only thing I really disagree with is you can replace their concept of "america" with "international banking cartel" because the US government is bought & paid for already and no longer functions for the USA, it functions for the international banking cartel and the major global corporations.
like I said before, look at the gas pipes and where they go and its pretty plain that this whole coup in Ukraine was intended to give the russians massive financial problems by way of natural gas (and notice how much more we've been exporting lately?) and fulfill the post WW2 russian containment strategy.
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