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    Music Jimmy Page revels in new Led Zeppelin re-masters

    By GREGORY KATZ - The Associated Press




    LONDON (AP) — Jimmy Page started the project because he couldn't believe how bad Led Zeppelin sounded.

    The legacy of the band he'd devoted much of his life to was being muddied by the way its classic studio albums sounded when reproduced on the ubiquitous MP3 players that are popular today.

    Instead of accepting that future generations would have to hear a cramped, compressed version of Led Zep's sonic booms, Page has devoted several years to completely re-mastering the band's extensive catalog in a labor of love — "Physical Graffiti," which was released on Tuesday.

    "This whole re-mastering process is a result of listening to Led Zeppelin on MP3. It almost sounds as if someone has got into the master tapes and done a really horrendous mix of it," Page said of the MP3 versions in a recent interview. "It just wasn't representative of what we'd done in the first place. So many textures were missing. The whole beauty of Led Zeppelin, the air of it, these instruments coming in here and here and over here, was just totally destroyed."

    The re-mastering has taken several years, and the new editions include previously unreleased companion disks of outtakes, live performances and alternate versions of many songs. Page listened to hundreds of hours of tapes looking for gems. The 71-year-old guitar master, who wears his long silvery hair in a ponytail, is confident that the new versions will last and be easily adapted for the next round of technological innovation.

    "At this point, we're prepared for whatever may come, as far as high-resolution digital," he said. "And we have the new versions on high quality vinyl, the CDs and digital. The object of the exercise has been achieved."

    Page is part of a select group of British guitarists — Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Keith Richards and a few others — who emerged in the mid-'60s to put a new take on American rock 'n' roll. They were for the most part self-taught, Page said, and the technology they relied on was primitive indeed: They would buy singles of American songs designed to be played at 45 rpm and played them instead at 33 rpm, the speed designated for long playing records, not singles.

    Page listened to Elvis Presley's singles this way — to decode the guitar work — and Ricky Nelsonfek, whose session guitarist was the revered James Burton.

    "The way we all learned was from records," he said. "You'd put on the 45, slow it down to 33, and try to work out these solos, note for note. That's it. Everyone learned that way, as far as I can tell.

    "I'd save up my pocket money and get every Ricky Nelson single, because you knew James Burton wasn't go to let you down, ever," Page added.

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    awesome get out the ol tapes and do some turd polishing!

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    awesome get out the ol tapes and do some turd polishing!

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    old recordings, they are turds. you have to polish the turds to make them acceptably listenable. I wasnt calling the music shite, just the recording quality thereof

    in my studio, anything not tracked through the neve board is a turd, and I dont even want to fkn hear it I'm weird like that, I'll stop a song on the radio if its been tracked through one.... so for instance, when I hear Def Leppard's Hysteria or something...that sound is just unmistakable and I have to listen to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofy View Post
    Jimmy



    Don't worship him too much.. Yes he's a great guitarist. But he also is a plagiarist and not quite the god like creative genius everyone likes to label him with. 40 years he ripped off this guy and refused to give him the cred.. Finally they settled out of court.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazed_and_Confused_%28song%29

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...arism-20140519

    http://www.hark.com/clips/qmqjfdsztg...lin-as-a-farce
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    Don't worship him too much.. Yes he's a great guitarist. But he also is a plagiarist and not quite the god like creative genius everyone likes to label him with. 40 years he ripped off this guy and refused to give him the cred.. Finally they settled out of court.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazed_and_Confused_%28song%29

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...arism-20140519

    http://www.hark.com/clips/qmqjfdsztg...lin-as-a-farce

    The actual headliner in these claims was Willie Dixon and Whole Lotta Love. They took a riff, slowed it down, changed it and changed the lines then admitted to it. When you look at all of the great original songs Page wrote, these claims are no different that what Beck, Clapton and almost every other blues song writer did. They all borrowed from the source and it's still going on today.

    The Taurus claim about Stairway to Heaven is funny. Plant wrote the lyrics on a plane and Taurus couldn't come forward for a alleged copyright violation against one of the most popular rock songs ever made? For over 40 years? Yeah


    my point is...with 95% of Zep's stuff being original (and quite so when compared to other songs of the time), they were a band of innovation rather than 'thieves'

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    Music is always derivative. Everybody is always ripping off somebody else. It used to be that everybody accepted it, as long as it wasn't too blatant. The whole "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" thing. Go listen to "Enter Sandman" by Metallica and compare it to Excel's "Tapping Into The Emotional Void". "Tapping" came first. Hell, even the Rolling Stones ripped off Lance's boy, Jay Ferguson's "Thunder Island" to come up with the "Start Me Up" riff. And you better believe those Mississippi Delta blues men were all ripping each other off back in the day.


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    That's what boils my butt about the Zep claims...they write songs like Kashmir, Battle of Evermore, In the Light....and when they draw on old R&B songs, put their own musical style into the song...they get crapped on.

    One could say that all British performers at one time or another burned the American blues scene...most of them readily admit it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    Don't worship him too much.. Yes he's a great guitarist. But he also is a plagiarist and not quite the god like creative genius everyone likes to label him with. 40 years he ripped off this guy and refused to give him the cred.. Finally they settled out of court.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazed_and_Confused_%28song%29

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...arism-20140519

    http://www.hark.com/clips/qmqjfdsztg...lin-as-a-farce
    Dont forget about LEADBELLY









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    well if you're gonna play a tribute song, may as well let it out



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    Quote Originally Posted by PorkChopSandwiches View Post
    Dont forget about LEADBELLY





    That wasn't a ripoff. Leadbelly didn't write that song. That song's been around for a looooooong time.


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    He recorded it first



























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    and to offset the discussion of who has borrowed what..they wrote plenty of songs that came out of a British blues, folksy, mystical and good ol hard rock place that will often be imitated, but never duplicated....their sound was just that, unique and creative



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    Quote Originally Posted by PorkChopSandwiches View Post
    He recorded it first

    Maybe, maybe not. But I know it's definitely not his.


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    good example of a straight up burn....this is originally Blind Willie Johnson's song...check out Willie's version from 100 years ago and how Zep decided to play it



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