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    Alex Kurtzman Confirms ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Season 3 Destination, Hears Fans On Pike Series

    By: TrekMovie.com Staff




    Last night Star Trek: Discovery delivered on the promised game-changing second season finale. Now the showrunners are talking about what it all means.

    Kurtzman talks Discovery season 3

    Speaking with The Hollywood Reporter, Star Trek: Discovery co-creator and co-showrunner Alex Kurtzman broke down the second season finale in some detail. He also removed any doubt as to where the show is headed:

    We are jumping 950 years into the future for season three.

    Kurtzman talked about how the decision to jump the show into the 33rd century frees them up:

    We love playing within canon. It’s a delight and a privilege. It’s fun to explore nooks and crannies of the universe that people haven’t fully explored yet. That being said, we felt strongly that we wanted to give ourselves an entirely new energy for season three with a whole new set of problems. We’re farther than any Trek show has ever gone. I also had experience working on the [J.J. Abrams] films where we were stuck with canonical problems. We knew how Kirk had died, and we wondered how we could put him in jeopardy to make it feel real. That’s what led us to go with an alternate timeline; suddenly we could tell the story in a very unpredictable way. That’s the same thought process that went into jumping 950 years into the future. We’re now completely free of canon, and we have a whole new universe to explore.

    When asked if characters from other Trek series might show up, Kurtzman again noted the time jump puts the show far beyond where Trek has been before:

    There will be canonical references to everything that has happened in the various shows; we’re not erasing that. But we’re so far past that point that all of that is a very distant memory. We’re very excited to see how you put the elements of Star Trek in an entirely new universe.

    No details were provided on what the crew of the Discovery will have to deal with in this 33rd century, but he did indicate that it isn’t going to be all smooth sailing:

    All I can tell you is that Control is officially neutralized, but there will be much bigger problems when they get to the other side of that wormhole.

    Kurtzman on Pike, Picard and Section 31

    Kurtzman also talked about the expanding Star Trek universe he oversees, including the buzz around a series set on Pike’s USS Enterprise, making it clear they are aware of the interest:

    The fans have been heard. Anything is possible in the world of Trek. I would love to bring back that crew more than anything. It was a huge risk for us. One of the most gratifying things is to see how deeply the fans have embraced Pike, Spock, Number One, and the Enterprise. The idea of getting to tell more stories with them would be a delight for all of us.

    The next show to launch will be the Picard series starring Sir Patrick Stewart. Earlier this week, CBS announced three more actors had joined the cast. Speaking to THR, Kurtzman gave a little update on the status of the show:

    [The Picard series] going amazingly. We start shooting soon. It will be really different from Discovery in tone, pace, and story. I’m so excited with how our cast came together. Hanelle Culpepper, our director, is absolutely crushing it. We’re so excited because it’s so different. Yet, I think people who like The Next Generation will recognize that it’s made by people who love it equally. It will be really interesting to see how people respond.

    The executive producer also briefly discussed the Section 31 series planned to go into production after the third season of Discovery:

    If you’re a fan of Deep Space Nine, you’ve probably spent the past two years saying, “What the hell are they doing with Section 31? That’s nothing like the Section 31 we know.” That’s exactly right. In Deep Space Nine, they did not have badges or ships. They’re an underground organization. What you see on Discovery and our upcoming show with Michelle Yeoh is how Section 31 became that organization and why it was so underground by the time Deep Space Nine comes around.



    Paradise talks Discovery season 2 finale

    Alex Kurtzman’s co-showrunner (and co-writer of the season finale) Michelle Paradise discussed “Such Sweet Sorrow” with Entertainment Tonight, explaining the reasoning behind the solution to how to sync the show with canon:

    Wrapping this story up and being clear that because of the danger that Control presented, because of the spore drive, because of this time-traveling technology… for those reasons and to prevent any dangerous entities from trying to access these things again, we must nip it in the bud. The lying about it is a protection for Starfleet. That’s the reason that they do it and it is also to make sure that if Section 31 has any designs on doing the next version of Control, that it can’t get out of control — no pun intended — and create a similar problem in the future. It was about answering the season two story, eliminating the threat of Control so that we, as viewers, understand Control has been eliminated. The goal of this season was to take care of this problem and we have taken care of this problem successfully. And at the same time, that also puts us in line with canon. Those were the reasons that we did that.

    The executive producer and writer provided some background on their approach to wrapping up the sibling arc of Spock and Burnham:

    We had done a lot of work on the Burnham and Spock relationship over the course of this season. We knew from the beginning that we wanted to start them in a place where they were fractured and that the journey of the season would be to bring them back together and heal the wounds between them. Of course, he has to go on the Enterprise at some point, so you bring their relationship to a satisfying conclusion where the hurts of the past have been healed and where they have been able to help, support and influence one another. We talked a lot about what Spock could give to Burnham and what Burnham could give to Spock. Over the course of the season, we see that play out in a number of different episodes, leading to this culmination where they share with one another the ways in which they’re better and the ways in which they need one another and the ways in which they are okay knowing that she must go on to do this mission and he must return to the Enterprise. We were trying to find the best possible way to honor their sibling relationship and end them in a positive way.

    Paradise also confirmed that when Michael was advising Spock to seek out his “opposite,” the writers were alluding to a specific character Spock will encounter in the future:

    Absolutely. That is definitely Kirk.

    Work on Season 3 has begun

    As we have previously reported, production of the third season of Discovery is scheduled to begin in early July. Prep work has already started in Toronto: This morning, prop master Mario Moreira posted a tweet from his office saying he started prepping for season three this week and “couldn’t be more excited.”

    Back in Los Angeles, the writers have already been working on the third season for a while. Yesterday the official writers’ room shared another of their fun “overheard in the room” tweets regarding a spoiler involving Michael Burnham and a sandwich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal-9000 View Post
    The entire show is rife with sloppy writing. I don't even scratch the surface here with my complaints about logistics and when they forget 'facts' from past episodes (or five minutes ago).

    The entire premise of the season just folded in upon itself when Burnham had to revisit points that guided Discovery to killing Control. If you boiled all of that crap down, each point was 'justified' by adding a certain person or element to the show. They needed Reno, they needed Po etc.

    When really, as you noted, Control was ended in the current time frame and there was no need to jump everywhere. Or more simply put - If Burnham really did travel to all of those points to enlist/gather the needed people and elements to fight Control...wouldn't she already somehow know it?

    And parts like her Mom and Dad dying. The show itself mentioned her Mom's body was there beside her dead father. Are they going to retcon that too and say future Mom came back one last time to really die in the exact same moment Burnham first thought they died? Arrrggggh...


    Yes, remove the Burnham horseshit and create an interesting and viable series. The material (pre-Enterprise) is a golden gift for new writers! Everything is there just waiting to be used.
    Agree 100 % with everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal-9000 View Post
    That was an inspired post Where to start...


    Regarding the torpedo your question about constructing the ship out of the blast door material is pretty common on the net right now. Like black box material for planes. I believe there's supposed to be a force field that deploys when the decks get damaged, so that may be the reason they could breath in there.

    ***interesting aside*** Have you ever noticed in movies or TV that decks 9 and 10 always get hit and lose life support? FFS just make decks 8 to 11 and stop those unnecessary deaths

    The torpedo didn't explode so I guess we're supposed to buy it just lodged into the hull. They had no shields at all during those moments?

    My whole take on the torpedo scene is I lost interest right when they say something like - I have to stand here and do this manually. And it's an admiral. And talk about timing in that scene. "We only have 60 seconds! So let's talk about our relationship, how things are at home, some of your hopes and dreams for the future"....

    Everything else you've said from Tilly to Ash I agree with.

    The dialog was cringe worthy and my podcasting buddies who generally support the show brought up the same exchange as you did above

    Spock's station was just pandering in my opinion. Nice to see it again but I read something about the writers blatantly using anything they could from the original series in between seasons one and two and they did it specifically to attract/pacify fans of the past Trek series.


    What I got from the entirety of season two is something the podcaster guy touched on without outright damning the entire season. They created a story and kept having to retcon ideas throughout because of the various corners they had written themselves into. The finale wrapped things up with a bow, but it was a messy and obvious bow.

    Like how an entire crew would agree to never speak of a whole other entire crew and ship...including Spock. Who really isn't good with the lying bits.
    Not to mention the fact in that torpedo scene when the Admiral jumped on the grenade so to speak? It's the 23rd century. They can fabricate a time traveling suit from scratch while under a brutal assault with the ship being tossed around and explosions everywhere. But they couldn't figure out that they could tie something to that manual door control handle and pull it from outside that room?

    And it's not just the Enterprise crew that has to be sworn to secrecy, it's basically everyone! Remember when Burnham was in a cell on that prison transport? All those prisoners knew who she was. The Klingons know about the spore drive, why would they keep quiet? They don't care about Starfleet regulations. The Klingons know Burnham all too well also. It just makes ZERO sense that they can basically erase all of that, people and events, from the record.

    And that's brilliant about the decks, just like how hotels leave out the 13th floor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    By: TrekMovie.com Staff




    Last night Star Trek: Discovery delivered on the promised game-changing second season finale. Now the showrunners are talking about what it all means.

    Kurtzman talks Discovery season 3

    Speaking with The Hollywood Reporter, Star Trek: Discovery co-creator and co-showrunner Alex Kurtzman broke down the second season finale in some detail. He also removed any doubt as to where the show is headed:

    We are jumping 950 years into the future for season three.

    Kurtzman talked about how the decision to jump the show into the 33rd century frees them up:

    We love playing within canon. It’s a delight and a privilege. It’s fun to explore nooks and crannies of the universe that people haven’t fully explored yet. That being said, we felt strongly that we wanted to give ourselves an entirely new energy for season three with a whole new set of problems. We’re farther than any Trek show has ever gone. I also had experience working on the [J.J. Abrams] films where we were stuck with canonical problems. We knew how Kirk had died, and we wondered how we could put him in jeopardy to make it feel real. That’s what led us to go with an alternate timeline; suddenly we could tell the story in a very unpredictable way. That’s the same thought process that went into jumping 950 years into the future. We’re now completely free of canon, and we have a whole new universe to explore.

    When asked if characters from other Trek series might show up, Kurtzman again noted the time jump puts the show far beyond where Trek has been before:

    There will be canonical references to everything that has happened in the various shows; we’re not erasing that. But we’re so far past that point that all of that is a very distant memory. We’re very excited to see how you put the elements of Star Trek in an entirely new universe.

    No details were provided on what the crew of the Discovery will have to deal with in this 33rd century, but he did indicate that it isn’t going to be all smooth sailing:

    All I can tell you is that Control is officially neutralized, but there will be much bigger problems when they get to the other side of that wormhole.

    Kurtzman on Pike, Picard and Section 31

    Kurtzman also talked about the expanding Star Trek universe he oversees, including the buzz around a series set on Pike’s USS Enterprise, making it clear they are aware of the interest:

    The fans have been heard. Anything is possible in the world of Trek. I would love to bring back that crew more than anything. It was a huge risk for us. One of the most gratifying things is to see how deeply the fans have embraced Pike, Spock, Number One, and the Enterprise. The idea of getting to tell more stories with them would be a delight for all of us.

    The next show to launch will be the Picard series starring Sir Patrick Stewart. Earlier this week, CBS announced three more actors had joined the cast. Speaking to THR, Kurtzman gave a little update on the status of the show:

    [The Picard series] going amazingly. We start shooting soon. It will be really different from Discovery in tone, pace, and story. I’m so excited with how our cast came together. Hanelle Culpepper, our director, is absolutely crushing it. We’re so excited because it’s so different. Yet, I think people who like The Next Generation will recognize that it’s made by people who love it equally. It will be really interesting to see how people respond.

    The executive producer also briefly discussed the Section 31 series planned to go into production after the third season of Discovery:

    If you’re a fan of Deep Space Nine, you’ve probably spent the past two years saying, “What the hell are they doing with Section 31? That’s nothing like the Section 31 we know.” That’s exactly right. In Deep Space Nine, they did not have badges or ships. They’re an underground organization. What you see on Discovery and our upcoming show with Michelle Yeoh is how Section 31 became that organization and why it was so underground by the time Deep Space Nine comes around.



    Paradise talks Discovery season 2 finale

    Alex Kurtzman’s co-showrunner (and co-writer of the season finale) Michelle Paradise discussed “Such Sweet Sorrow” with Entertainment Tonight, explaining the reasoning behind the solution to how to sync the show with canon:

    Wrapping this story up and being clear that because of the danger that Control presented, because of the spore drive, because of this time-traveling technology… for those reasons and to prevent any dangerous entities from trying to access these things again, we must nip it in the bud. The lying about it is a protection for Starfleet. That’s the reason that they do it and it is also to make sure that if Section 31 has any designs on doing the next version of Control, that it can’t get out of control — no pun intended — and create a similar problem in the future. It was about answering the season two story, eliminating the threat of Control so that we, as viewers, understand Control has been eliminated. The goal of this season was to take care of this problem and we have taken care of this problem successfully. And at the same time, that also puts us in line with canon. Those were the reasons that we did that.

    The executive producer and writer provided some background on their approach to wrapping up the sibling arc of Spock and Burnham:

    We had done a lot of work on the Burnham and Spock relationship over the course of this season. We knew from the beginning that we wanted to start them in a place where they were fractured and that the journey of the season would be to bring them back together and heal the wounds between them. Of course, he has to go on the Enterprise at some point, so you bring their relationship to a satisfying conclusion where the hurts of the past have been healed and where they have been able to help, support and influence one another. We talked a lot about what Spock could give to Burnham and what Burnham could give to Spock. Over the course of the season, we see that play out in a number of different episodes, leading to this culmination where they share with one another the ways in which they’re better and the ways in which they need one another and the ways in which they are okay knowing that she must go on to do this mission and he must return to the Enterprise. We were trying to find the best possible way to honor their sibling relationship and end them in a positive way.

    Paradise also confirmed that when Michael was advising Spock to seek out his “opposite,” the writers were alluding to a specific character Spock will encounter in the future:

    Absolutely. That is definitely Kirk.

    Work on Season 3 has begun

    As we have previously reported, production of the third season of Discovery is scheduled to begin in early July. Prep work has already started in Toronto: This morning, prop master Mario Moreira posted a tweet from his office saying he started prepping for season three this week and “couldn’t be more excited.”

    Back in Los Angeles, the writers have already been working on the third season for a while. Yesterday the official writers’ room shared another of their fun “overheard in the room” tweets regarding a spoiler involving Michael Burnham and a sandwich.
    I posted with the guy yesterday who interviewed Kurtzman for this at Parade magazine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    They can fabricate a time traveling suit from scratch while under a brutal assault with the ship being tossed around and explosions everywhere. But they couldn't figure out that they could tie something to that manual door control handle and pull it from outside that room?
    This encapsulates the entire problem with Discovery. Shit Writing 101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal-9000 View Post
    This encapsulates the entire problem with Discovery. Shit Writing 101
    Part of me wants to see what they do in season three now that they will be almost a full 1,000 years in the future, but the shitty writing scares me. Here's one issue I can see...if there wasn't some kind of cataclysm on a galactic scale, wouldn't things have advanced SO MUCH in 1,000 years that the Discovery would look to them the same way we would look at a covered wagon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    Part of me wants to see what they do in season three now that they will be almost a full 1,000 years in the future, but the shitty writing scares me. Here's one issue I can see...if there wasn't some kind of cataclysm on a galactic scale, wouldn't things have advanced SO MUCH in 1,000 years that the Discovery would look to them the same way we would look at a covered wagon?
    It's a good point and another reason I won't watch. Cars from the 50's look like antiquated boats to us and that's only 70 years...

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    Here's another thing that just popped into my head about the finale

    All along CBS was promising us a prequel that was set in the prime timeline 10 years before TOS. But with the way this last season ended, they wiped it all out and the two seasons of Discovery never existed, except to the people that went with Discovery into the future. And the showrunners are all talking how it will be great to be free of cannon and they will be able to write 'their own' cannon and everything they do from now on will be a part of Trek cannon.



    It sounds like this is what they wanted to do the whole time, make a show not constrained by cannon, so why promise what they did? FFS just make the show start briefly in the 23rd century, something happens that flings them into the 33rd century, and make your own show. Why waste TWO YEARS trying to weave this into Trek cannon only to wipe it all away in the last 5 minutes of the season finale?


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