John Oliver, Dustin Hoffman have heated exchange over sexual harassment claims

[Teh One Who Knocks]

By Chris Perez - Page Six




Dustin Hoffman got into a heated war of words with HBO host John Oliver on Monday night during a public Q&A session after Oliver questioned the actor about recent sexual harassment allegations that were made against him.

“You’ve made one statement in print — does that feel like enough to you?” Oliver asked in reference to an apology Hoffman made after he was publicly accused by a former production assistant in The Hollywood Reporter last month.

“First of all, it didn’t happen, the way she reported,” the actor said, according to Deadline.

To which Oliver replied, “It’s that part of the response to this stuff that pisses me off. It is reflective of who you were. You’ve given no evidence to show that it didn’t happen. There was a period of time when you were creeping around women. It feels like a cop-out to say, ‘Well, this isn’t me.’ Do you understand how that feels like a dismissal?”

Hoffman fired back, “You weren’t there.”

“I’m glad,” Oliver said.

The event — which was held to commemorate the 20th anniversary of Hoffman’s film “Wag the Dog” — lasted roughly an hour and was filled with heated exchanges, Deadline reports.

“You’ve put me on display here,” Hoffman told Oliver at one point. “You have indicted me … That’s not ‘innocent until proven guilty.’”

The actor repeatedly tried to blame the time period for his actions, saying the atmosphere was different back then when the alleged abuse occurred. This prompted Oliver to go back on the offensive.

“I don’t love that answer either,” the British comedian said.

“What response do you want?” Hoffman asked.

“It doesn’t feel self-reflective in the way it seems the incident demands,” replied Oliver.

“I get no pleasure from this conversation,” he added. “But you and I are not the victims here.”

Referencing reports in THR and Variety, Hoffman said: “Do you believe this stuff you’re reading?”

In response, Oliver flat-out said he did “because she would have no reason to lie.”

Moments later, a person in the crowd shouted: “Thank you for believing women.”

[Teh One Who Knocks]

I hate John Oliver.

[RBP]

Oliver has become a self-righteous prick.

But also note the story line. Even in this ridiculous environment, all women are to be taken at face value and believe and all men are guilty unless they can activate the way-back machine and provide definitive evidence that she is incorrect.

Hoffman also makes the point I have been making. It's contextual to the sexual mores at the time.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

Yup, doesn't matter how long ago it mattered and there is no proof, just claim that you were sexually assaulted and the man is automatically guilty and his life and career is ruined.

[Teh One Who Knocks]

That whole fucking #metoo movement is actually up as a finalist for Time's person of the year

[RBP]

That whole fucking #metoo movement is actually up as a finalist for Time's person of the year

Until the women get named.

[Hal-9000]

Yup, doesn't matter how long ago it mattered and there is no proof, just claim that you were sexually assaulted and the man is automatically guilty and his life and career is ruined.

That's what I got from his responses above.

"she would have no reason to lie...." oh lord let me count the ways that statement is wrong.

[RBP]

That's what I got from his responses above.

"she would have no reason to lie...." oh lord let me count the ways that statement is wrong.

Being virtually hoisted in the air and triumphantly carried off the field by a horde of vagina costumes is a life changing affirmation.

[Hal-9000]

Being virtually hoisted in the air and triumphantly carried off the field by a horde of vagina costumes is a life changing affirmation.

I'm not sure what offends me more...the group who think they're being persecuted/assaulted, or the people like this tampon-sucker who pile on just because 'they heard something.'

[Teh One Who Knocks]

That's what I got from his responses above.

"she would have no reason to lie...." oh lord let me count the ways that statement is wrong.

[Hal-9000]

Hoffman makes such a great point by bringing up the innocent until proven guilty statement. Don't get me wrong, my prior post doesn't include people that have actually been assaulted. I think Dustin alluded to something important by simply saying "First of all, it didn’t happen, the way she reported."

When Oliver states - "You’ve given no evidence to show that it didn’t happen", in the interest of equality should the counter be "She has given no evidence to show that it did happen" ?

Should that be the new catch phrase for all people accused of this crime? - Show me some evidence this occurred other than your word.

[RBP]

Hoffman makes such a great point by bringing up the innocent until proven guilty statement. Don't get me wrong, my prior post doesn't include people that have actually been assaulted against their will. I think Dustin alluded to something important be simply saying "First of all, it didn’t happen, the way she reported."

When Oliver states - "You’ve given no evidence to show that it didn’t happen", in the interest of equality should the counter be " She has given no evidence to show that it did happen" ?

Should that be the new catch phrase for all people accused of this crime? - Show me some evidence this occurred other than your word.

Excerpt from: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/28/o...eve-women.html

The huntresses’ war cry — “believe all women” — has felt like a bracing corrective to a historic injustice. It has felt like a justifiable response to a system in which the crimes perpetrated against women — so intimate, so humiliating and so unlike any other — are so very difficult to prove.

But I also can’t shake the feeling that this mantra creates terrible new problems in addition to solving old ones.

In less than two months we’ve moved from uncovering accusations of criminal behavior (Harvey Weinstein) to criminalizing behavior that we previously regarded as presumptuous and boorish (Glenn Thrush). In a climate in which sexual mores are transforming so rapidly, many men are asking: If I were wrongly accused, who would believe me?

I know the answer that many women would give — are giving — is: Good. Be scared. We have been scared for forever. It’s your turn for some sleepless nights. They’ll say: If some innocent men go down in the effort to tear down the patriarchy, so be it.

[Hal-9000]

I would be scared to work with a woman on a shift alone. Flat out probably wouldn't do it given the choice, or in the least I would ensure through my employer that the area is monitored by video.

Sad new world.

[PorkChopSandwiches]

I hate John Oliver.

Hes an idiot

[lost in melb.]

The truth is somewhere in between...probably closer to Hoffman's side.

I still think the #metoo was a needed correction, and when dozens of allegations come out it does reflect poorly on the protagonist. However, the way it has come out and the way it has been seized by hypocritical idiots wanting to blow their own trumpet is unfortunate.

I actually had my first date last night in a long time, with all my renovations and work (charming female concert pianist... lol) At 9.30 pm she wiggled out of my clasp to the end of the couch, looked me in the eye and said "I'm flattered, but no thanks". Many 'no's later she was naked in my bed, frantically sucking my cock, telling me how she wanted me to 'explode'. Explain that one to the feminists!