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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    The truth is somewhere in between...probably closer to Hoffman's side.

    I still think the #metoo was a needed correction, and when dozens of allegations come out it does reflect poorly on the protagonist. However, the way it has come out and the way it has been seized by hypocritical idiots wanting to blow their own trumpet is unfortunate.

    I actually had my first date last night in a long time, with all my renovations and work (charming female concert pianist... lol) At 9.30 pm she wiggled out of my clasp to the end of the couch, looked me in the eye and said "I'm flattered, but no thanks". Many 'no's later she was naked in my bed, frantically sucking my cock, telling me how she wanted me to 'explode'. Explain that one to the feminists!
    The explanation would be that anything that happened after no, unless you received an affirmative verbal "yes", was sexual assault.

    I was trying to make this point, that there is a course of seduction that may include initial hesitation and eventual willing participation. That doesn't make it an assault. Muddy and Hal disagreed.
    I wanted to be a Monk, but I never got the chants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    Explain that one to the feminists!
    You won't have to as long as you remain meek and out of the public eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    The explanation would be that anything that happened after no, unless you received an affirmative verbal "yes", was sexual assault.

    I was trying to make this point, that there is a course of seduction that may include initial hesitation and eventual willing participation. That doesn't make it an assault. Muddy and Hal disagreed.
    Exactly, that's why I put 'no's' in quotes. We both knew what was up. It's being mature enough to read the subtle signals. To take the opposite case, some women have been willing to go ahead with sex, but there was something reticent and uncomfortable about their attitude. I'll actually stop and call a raincheck, even though they didn't say no.

    I often ask women why they play these games (significantly down the track). The most consistent explanations are ' you've gotta put yourself on the line and prove yourself' 'wanna see if you can handle me refusing sex without flipping out and getting upset'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griffin View Post
    You won't have to as long as you remain meek and out of the public eye.
    You're right. Famous people probably need to be more reserved nowadays

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    The explanation would be that anything that happened after no, unless you received an affirmative verbal "yes", was sexual assault.
    My brother is very single and said that when he hooks up with tinder girls now, he actually talks to them about it and sex is a firm yes or no question, and moreover he only feels comfortable when there is verbal, "enthusiastic concent." I think when I was single, sometimes a girl would jump on me and off we go, or vice versa.

    The former seems so formal and robotic to me, but it's sounding like that's what a lot of women want in light of the whole #metoo thing... Of course there are times I'd straight up ask if a girl wanted to have sex and you'd wait for an empathic reply, but apparently not doing that now (particularly with someone you aren't in a longer-term relationship with) is akin to rape, or at least it's very grey....

    I'm just glad I've been in a relationship for 9-years. I think I'm a very understanding and was always so cautious with girl's feelings and reading the mood, but clearly it's even more complicated than that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather View Post
    My brother is very single and said that when he hooks up with tinder girls now, he actually talks to them about it and sex is a firm yes or no question, and moreover he only feels comfortable when there is verbal, "enthusiastic concent." I think when I was single, sometimes a girl would jump on me and off we go, or vice versa.

    The former seems so formal and robotic to me, but it's sounding like that's what a lot of women want in light of the whole #metoo thing... Of course there are times I'd straight up ask if a girl wanted to have sex and you'd wait for an empathic reply, but apparently not doing that now (particularly with someone you aren't in a longer-term relationship with) is akin to rape, or at least it's very grey....

    I'm just glad I've been in a relationship for 9-years. I think I'm a very understanding and was always so cautious with girl's feelings and reading the mood, but clearly it's even more complicated than that
    I don't think "most" girls want that. We again respond to the loudest megaphone... most girls don't mind the cat and mouse. Most girls actually like a strong aggressive (non-abusive) man. Most girls think the same as we do... that this is such bullshit.

    I'd be fascinated to have thread where we ask the females in our lives these questions. I think most of our partners would say they are out of their minds.
    I wanted to be a Monk, but I never got the chants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather View Post
    My brother is very single and said that when he hooks up with tinder girls now, he actually talks to them about it and sex is a firm yes or no question, and moreover he only feels comfortable when there is verbal, "enthusiastic concent." I think when I was single, sometimes a girl would jump on me and off we go, or vice versa.

    The former seems so formal and robotic to me, but it's sounding like that's what a lot of women want in light of the whole #metoo thing... Of course there are times I'd straight up ask if a girl wanted to have sex and you'd wait for an empathic reply, but apparently not doing that now (particularly with someone you aren't in a longer-term relationship with) is akin to rape, or at least it's very grey....

    I'm just glad I've been in a relationship for 9-years. I think I'm a very understanding and was always so cautious with girl's feelings and reading the mood, but clearly it's even more complicated than that
    You do know that according to the feminists that push this #metoo bullshit that consent can be revoked at any time? So even if she gives you the green light, she can claim that sometime during, or even after the fact, that she withdrew her consent and you sexually assaulted/raped her. So realistically in this New World Order, unless you have a signed, dated, and probably notarized contract showing that she consented to sex, you could be accused of sexual assault and/or rape at any time. And as a guy, you are automatically the liar and she is the pure and unsullied with no reason to lie.

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    Revoking consent...

    that's like unlighting a fire

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    I love those lawful declarations..."and that is rape." Nanah, neener neener suck my weener.

    More like ..."and that is fuck off"

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