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    Politics California 'three states' plan OK'd for November ballot

    By Amy Lieu | Fox News




    An initiative to divide California into three states has received enough signatures to qualify it for the November ballot, the California secretary of state's office confirmed Tuesday.

    The three-states campaign, dubbed “Cal-3,” submitted more than 600,000 signatures.

    Tim Draper, a billionaire Silicon Valley venture capital investor, sponsored the ballot measure to divide America’s most populous state into three jurisdictions, the Mercury News of San Jose, Calif., reported.

    -- California would be made up of six mainly coastal counties, including Los Angeles, Santa Barbara and Ventura counties.

    -- Northern California would include 40 counties from Santa Cruz to the Oregon border, including San Francisco and Sacramento, the state’s current capital.

    -- Southern California would comprise 12 counties, including Fresno, Kern, Orange and San Diego counties.

    “California government has rotted,” Draper told the Mercury News last month. “We need to empower our population to improve their government.”

    However, the ballot measure faces long odds.

    A SurveyUSA poll found that 72 percent of registered California voters opposed the proposal, while only 17 percent support it, the report said.

    Even if voters approved the plan, it would still require approval from the California Assembly and Senate, the Los Angeles Times reported.



    Then the plan would have to overcome likely court challenges -- and still win approval from Congress, the Hill reported.

    Steven Maviglio, a Democratic political consultant who opposes breaking up the Golden State, told the Mercury News that Draper’s initiative was taking the wrong track.

    “Splitting California into three new states will triple the amount of special interests, lobbyists, politicians and bureaucracy,” Maviglio said in an email. “California government can do a better job addressing the real issues facing the state, but this measure is a massive distraction that will cause political chaos and greater inequality.”

    If passed, it would be the first division of a U.S. state since 1863 when West Virginia was created, the Times reported. California, admitted to the Union on Sept. 9, 1850, has faced more than 200 attempts at boundary reconfiguration, divisions and even secession over the course of its history, the report said.

    Draper previously proposed splitting the state into six separate states in 2012 and 2014, but election officials invalidated many of the signatures his campaign collected, the Hill reported.


    Tim Draper previously proposed splitting California into six states.

    Last summer, Draper formally submitted the three-states proposal.

    “Three states will get us better infrastructure, better education and lower taxes,” Draper told the Times in an email. “States will be more accountable to us and can cooperate and compete for citizens.”

    Analysts from the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics predict that the new California and Northern California would be Democratic-leaning, while Southern California would be a swing state.

    "This measure would cost taxpayers billions of dollars to pay for the massive transactional costs of breaking up the state, whether it be universities, parks, or retirement systems,” Maviglio told the Times.

    Meanwhile, Shaun Bowler, a political science professor at the University of California at Riverside, told the Mercury News that “this isn’t as easy or straightforward as its supporters want to make out.”

    But Draper remains optimistic.

    “These three states,” Draper told the Mercury News last month, “create hope and opportunity for Californians.”

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    How are you gonna vote?



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    Actually, it looks to favor (D). They have zoned as such to keep a (D) majority in each area. This way they can be represented with 6 senators instead of 2 in CA






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    Who has to ratify additional states?
    I wanted to be a Monk, but I never got the chants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    Who has to ratify additional states?
    I think it has to go through Congress.

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    The people can vote all they want, then CA has to agree, then 2/3 of the feds have to agree. Its doubtful.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    I think it has to go through Congress.
    Quote Originally Posted by PorkChopSandwiches View Post
    The people can vote all they want, then CA has to agree, then 2/3 of the feds have to agree. Its doubtful.


    "New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

    - Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1
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