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    Skynet IBM AI fails to beat human debating champion

    Saqib Shah - endgadget




    After suffering defeat to AI at Go and Dota 2, the battle between man and machine was starting to look a little one-sided. But a human has finally notched up a win against our future robot overlords. Champion debater Harish Natarajan triumphed in a live showdown against IBM's Miss Debater AI at the company's Think Conference in San Francisco on Monday. The 2012 European Debate winner and IBM's black monolith exchanged quick retorts on pre-school subsidies for 25 minutes before the crowd hailed Natarajan the victor. You can watch the debate in full below.



    Each side was given 15 minutes to prep for the clash, after which they presented a four-minute opening statement, a four-minute rebuttal, and a two-minute summary. The 700-strong audience, meanwhile, was comprised of top debaters from Bay Area schools and more than a hundred journalists.

    Miss Debater (formerly known as Project Debater) pulled arguments from its database of 10 billion sentences taken from newspapers and academic journals. A female voice emanating from the human-sized black box spouted its answers, while three blue balls floated around its display.

    The face-off was the latest event in IBM's "grand challenge" series pitting humans against its intelligent machines. In 1996, its computer system beat chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov, though the Russian later accused the IBM team of cheating, something that the company denies to this day -- he later retracted some of his allegations. Then, in 2011, its Watson supercomputer trounced two record-winning Jeopardy! contestants.

    In the lead-up to Monday's bout, Natarajan suggested that debating may prove a harder battleground for AI than Go and video games. "Debating is...more complicated for a machine than any of those, however. At its core, successful debating involves three components," he wrote in a LinkedIn post.

    "First, a debater needs to process large amounts of information and construct relevant arguments. Second, debating involves [explaining] complicated arguments in a clear and structured way. Third, you need to make those arguments matter to the audience. This requires the careful use of language, emotions, rhetoric, and examples. While a machine should excel in the first, the latter two may be challenging."

    But he also conceded that "there will come a point soon where AI will be better than humans at all three." Does that mean, he'd be game for a rematch?

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    pre-school subsidies. It's mentioned once in the article.


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    Subject should have been - Will A.I. ever become dangerous to humans? Discuss...

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    Humans will always win in mass debating.
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    I think we as humans have mouths too big and brains too small...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather View Post
    "I'm not scared of a computer passing the turing test... I'm terrified of one that intentionally fails it."
    Who said that? And I agree. Once a program becomes sophisticated it's going to learn parameters which made it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal-9000 View Post
    Who said that? And I agree. Once a program becomes sophisticated it's going to learn parameters which made it that way.
    GF did, you just quoted him, are ya daft man?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    GF did, you just quoted him, are ya daft man?

    His quote was in quotes and no offense to GF, but that was a really clever observation about AI.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RBP View Post
    Humans will always win in mass debating.
    For now.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh One Who Knocks View Post
    For now.....
    say it fast Muddy, it's a pun!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal-9000 View Post
    say it fast Muddy, it's a pun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather View Post
    I think we as humans have mouths too big and brains too small...

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