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    Politics Obama, Republicans trapped by inflexible rhetoric

    By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press


    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama and GOP lawmakers, hundreds of billions of dollars short of their goal and seemingly trapped in inflexible bargaining positions, are struggling for agreement on $2 trillion-plus in budget cuts as the price for maintaining the government's ability to borrow.

    Lawmakers were asked to return to the White House for talks Tuesday afternoon after a 90-minute Monday session produced no progress other than to identify the size of the gap between Republicans and Obama. Neither side showed any give that might generate hopes for a speedy agreement. Instead, Republicans again took a firm stand against revenue increases while Obama and his Democratic allies insisted that they be part of any equation that cuts programs like Medicare.

    "I do not see a path to a deal if they don't budge, period," Obama said.

    At the same time, the president turned up the pressure by announcing he won't sign any short-term debt limit increases.

    "We are going to get this done," Obama insisted during a news conference.
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    Obama's declaration seemed aimed at pressuring lawmakers to continue to strive for the largest deficit reduction plan possible, even though hopes for a "grand bargain" mixing a complete overhaul of the tax code with cuts to benefits programs like Medicare and Social Security fizzled over the weekend.

    An advocate of the bigger bargain, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, explored the idea but scotched it in its infancy after learning the extent of White House demands for tax increases.

    "The American people will not accept — and the House cannot pass — a bill that raises taxes on job creators," Boehner said Monday before heading to the White House.

    Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, Republican chairman of the House Budget Committee, said Tuesday that "we are already taxing our job creators and our businesses more than our foreign competitors are taxing theirs."

    Ryan told CBS's "The Early Show" he believes there must be more than a dollar in spending cuts for every dollar in granted to Washington in new borrowing authority.

    Ryan said the United States must get spending under control because the mounting federal debt "is a recurrent threat to our economy." He said he believes an international debt crisis looms and "we want to get ahead of it."

    The Treasury Department says lawmakers have until Aug. 2 to extend the nation's debt limit to prevent a catastrophic government default on its bills. With that deadline fast approaching, the public is growing more concerned about what happens if Congress and the White House can't reach a deal.

    Forty-two percent of Americans say they see a greater risk to the economy from not raising the debt limit, according to a Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll conducted last week. That's up 7 points from late May. However, there are still 47 percent of Americans who say they are more concerned about the consequences of raising the debt ceiling.

    The business community is also upping the pressure on lawmakers, warning that a failure to increase the nation's borrowing limit could have an immediate impact on the economy recovery.

    "An unprecedented default on the nation's bills would have dire consequences for our economy, our markets, and Main Street Americans," said Thomas Donohue, president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

    Despite lingering hopes for a larger deal, the goal of the White House talks is to produce spending cuts of at least $2.4 trillion or so over the coming decade. Such cuts wouldn't do enough to address deficits that threaten the economy, but they would represent a down payment on further reductions that would be imposed after next year's elections.

    The $2.4 trillion figure would meet the House Republicans' own standard of a debt-cutting package: one that would exceed the size of the increase in the debt limit, and provide enough borrowing room to get the country through 2012.

    The group of negotiators includes Obama, other top administration officials and a bipartisan group of the eight top leaders of Congress. At Monday's session, they heard competing versions of how much progress had been made in talks led by Vice President Joe Biden in May and June.

    House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., a participant who left the Biden talks last month because of Democratic demands on taxes, spelled out potential spending cuts that had been identified. But Democratic lawmakers made clear that such a cutting-only approach without tax increases on wealthier Americans would never pass the Democratic-led Senate or the House, where Democratic votes would be needed, too.

    Cantor, aides said, outlined up to $2.3 trillion in spending cuts over the upcoming decade, with $1.3 trillion coming from squeezing the day-to-day budgets of Cabinet agencies, including the Pentagon.

    Cantor erred on the high end of the savings range in virtually every instance. The White House countered that the cuts really approached $1.7 trillion or so, which would leave negotiators $700 billion short of the $2.4 trillion being sought.

    Republicans are also suspicious that Democrats want most of the spending cuts to be concentrated in the later years of a deal. They say that despite promising cuts of $1.1 trillion from Cabinet agency operating budgets, the White House is insisting on a two-year freeze in such spending at the current level of $1.05 trillion. At issue is the amount approved by Congress each year in annual appropriations bills.

    Obama spent most of his time encouraging lawmakers to reconsider a bigger deal, on the order of some $4 trillion in spending cuts and tax hikes over 10 years. Democrats familiar with the talks said it was clear after the meeting that negotiators are going to have come up with some new ideas in hopes of finding a compromise.

    As a measure of the political peril Obama is courting, the president is willing to discuss raising the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67 years, provided Republicans would allow Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy to expire at the end of 2012 and agree to other unspecified demands, according to a Democratic congressional aide.

    All the officials familiar with the talks spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose details of the private discussions.

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    To be honest, I am adamantly opposed to any way shape or form of increasing our national debt. It is my feeling that the so called power movers in DC and others are who have gotten us into this mess, until they give up all their perks, I say let it burn.
    I am NOT an anarchist, but at some point you have to realized that the status quo has failed, and it's time for something different. If I ran a business that was as far in debt as out government, I would be auctioned off for pennies on the dollar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelancinator View Post
    "We are going to get this done," Obama insisted
    That's funny. He had over 700 days with an unbreakable majority and he didn't even attempt a budget until after he lost the House.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinD View Post
    To be honest, I am adamantly opposed to any way shape or form of increasing our national debt.
    Agreed..

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    Well keep that dream alive cuz I guarantee they will end up raising it when both sides are done puffing their chests out at each other

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    Its awesome getting lectured on finances by somebody who submitted a budget so preposterous it lost 97-0 in the senate.

    "sure, just come over to my side and we'll have an agreement. I know we didnt bother when we could have easily passed it, but then we'd have had to own the shitty results. now at least we can point a finger across the aisle and say you schmucks are making unrealistic demands."


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    How can you balance a budget when everyone on the receiving end is on the dole.






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