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    Politics When it comes to the debt talks, Obama is no Bill Clinton

    By Tim Stanley US politics Last updated: July 12th, 2011

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    Obama lacks Clinton's economic boom and political skills, which is why he won't find it as easy to win in debt talks with the Republicans



    Obama lacks Clinton's economic boom and political skills

    It feels like history is repeating itself. In 1995, Bill Clinton was locked in negotiations with a Republican congress over how to reduce America’s spiralling deficit. They demanded big slashes in spending and taxes; he proposed smaller cuts in spending and none at all in taxes. Sixteen years later and another Democratic president is facing down another Republican bid to slash the debt with a package of savage cuts that he just can’t accept. So what are the similarities between the crises and what are differences? And what do the experiences of 1995 prophesy about the political outcome of the 2011 battle?

    The similarities are so strong that it’s tempting to call Obama “Clinton With Ethics”. In 1995, the Republicans had been handed control of Congress thanks to a conservative sweep in the 1994 midterm elections. The base wanted the GOP leadership to deconstruct the welfare state. Clinton found that morally unacceptable and offered a modest package of cuts instead. A game of chicken ensued as the country edged towards default. Neither side could give way: Clinton faced the wrath of his party if he caved in to Republican demands, while Republicans could expect primary challenges by more conservative candidates if they didn’t get spending and taxes down to 18th century levels.

    Perhaps the parallels are big enough to have convinced Obama to borrow Clinton’s negotiating strategy. Like Obama today, Clinton tried to triangulate his way out of the problem. He started by doing an ideological 180 and endorsed the message of the midterms that trounced his party. He declared that “the era of big government is over” and offered a debt-reduction package that stole the Republicans’ best ideas. But Clinton drew the line at cutting entitlements for the vulnerable. It redefined the battle as compassionate conservatism vs tight-fisted fundamentalism. It worked. The Republicans appeared to be the nasty party. When they eventually caved, they looked spineless too. The GOP’s presidential candidate, Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, was tarred by the whole affair and Clinton sailed to re-election in 1996.

    But if Obama is copying that strategy by offering to negotiate on cuts but hold firm on social spending and tax increases, here’s his problem: this isn’t 1995 and he ain’t Bill Clinton. In 1995, thanks to Clinton’s wholesale theft of Republican fiscal and trade policy, the country was out of recession and unemployment was low. The underlying issue that year was how to share the proceeds of growth: expand services or shrink government and return the money to the people. The deficit was a totem in a standard partisan debate. Today, the deficit is a very real, very big problem that goes beyond party politics. How America deals with its mounting debt will affect business confidence, external investment, Chinese foreign policy, the solvency of Social Security, and the price of basic goods. America’s entire future as a world power is at stake. Government shutdown in 1995 meant that services were suspended and a few driving test examiners didn’t get their daily fix of failing people. Shutdown or default today could extend the recession for another 12 months. With unemployment already at 9.2 per cent (it was averaged just 5.6 per cent in 1995), that’s a risk that isn’t worth playing chicken over. Even Bill Clinton understands that, which is why he’s called for corporation taxes to be cut.

    Nor does Obama have Clinton’s charm – his remarkable ability to shoot a man square in the chest and then convince a hundred witnesses that it was suicide. There have been many different Clintons – the liberal, the conservative, the party lover, the devoted husband. Bill’s brilliance lies in his ability to inhabit each role totally, to believe that he is the part he is playing. In 1995, he masterfully turned himself into a conservative with a heart and the public bought it. In contrast, Obama (more a lecturer than an actor) has already stacked up a record as a big spender. It defines him: he is nothing unless he is superhero who bailed out the ghetto and brought health insurance to the needy. Without tangible social benefits, he’s just another Democratic turncoat travelling the country handing out false hope. Obama lacks Clinton’s ability to convince everyone that he is all things at once. It is his strength and his liability: the key to his re-election lies in convincing his hungry coalition that he’s remained faithful, not wooing big business.

    The budget battle of 1995 discredited the Republicans and re-elected a Democratic president. This time, it could do the opposite. The economy is in such a shambles that the GOP has no need to fear looking ruthless: most voters understand that a bit of ruthlessness is required to kick-start the market. This time around, it’s the Democrat incumbent who can’t afford to crumble and who will be ridiculed if he does. Yet he must. In the time that it took to write this article, America’s debt went up by 150 million dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Stanley
    Obama lacks Clinton's economic boom and political skills,
    obama has skills?

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    He's like Clinton with ethics? more like Clinton without intelligence...

    There no way in hell you can compare obummer to clinton.

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    I'd guess that there are quite a few admirers/respecters of the Clinton years that wouldn't be too fond of Obama here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griffin View Post
    obama has skills?
    Is being an idiot a skill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loser View Post
    He's like Clinton with ethics? more like Clinton without intelligence...

    There no way in hell you can compare obummer to clinton.

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    Do I need to pull out the myth of the clinton surplus again? "He was forced to behave," more or less.

    Both of these men are well versed in the art of bullshit. The only real difference is the times involved - we see through Obama's bullshit so clearly in part because we've already seen Clinton.

    While Obama hasnt committed any felonies yet as pResident, he's still winning the despicable award at every turn.

    Oh, and they hypocrite award, too

    Barack Obama, June 29, 2011:



    Barack Obama, July 12, 2011:
    Scott Pelley: Can you tell the folks at home no matter what happens that Social Security checks are going to go out on August the 3rd? There are about 20 billion dollars of Social Security checks that have to go out the day after the government is supposed to go into default.

    Obama: Well this is not just a matter of Social Security checks, these are veterans checks, these are folks on disability, their checks. There are about 70 million checks that go out —

    Scott Pelley: Can you guarantee as President those checks will go out on August the 3rd?

    Obama: I can not guarantee those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.
    Last edited by FBD; 07-13-2011 at 05:24 PM.

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    Thanks, Frankenberry..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyGut View Post
    Thanks, Frankenberry..
    Remember, no democrat in the entire history of the United States has ever done anything good

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    I loved Woodrow Wilson


    I miss that time..

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost in melb. View Post
    Nor does Obama have Clinton’s charm – his remarkable ability to shoot a man square in the chest and then convince a hundred witnesses that it was suicide.
    The author stole that from a book. In the book, the person that convinced everyone that exact situation was suicide and not murder was none other than the Anti-Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelancinator View Post
    Remember, no democrat in the entire history of the United States has ever done anything good
    The Liberals are coming!! The Liberals are coming!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal-9000 View Post
    I loved Woodrow Wilson


    I miss that time..




    Woody gave into some southern influences but for the most part he passed some good legislature...I voted for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyGut View Post
    Thanks, Frankenberry..
    No problem. Like I've mentioned before, we're being provided with nearly endless fodder here.

    So how's about this one:
    Yesterday the President of The United States, ironically the same President that wants to see only purple states, said “I cannot guarantee that Social Security checks will be paid if a debt ceiling deal is not reached”. Please frame that for the media in a ‘fact based’ context. The President CAN guarantee all entitlement payments are made because the President can direct the treasury to make the payments from existing tax revenues, period.

    In the event the debt ceiling is NOT raised the federal government still has income from normal tax collection. That income can pay Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Debtor payments now, tomorrow, and into the forseeable future, if that is what the President chooses to do.
    Am I kidding when I say Obama is a disingenuous liar? Unfortunately not. All politicians bend and twist like a supple tree in a windstorm, but since the left hurled so many accusations at Bush, they feel that they're basically entitled to lie and say whatever the hell they want to about a given situation.

    Bully Pulpit. Obama blatantly uses it to lie for his agenda, as we've seen numerous times since he's been elected.

    Quote Originally Posted by thelancinator View Post
    Remember, no democrat in the entire history of the United States has ever done anything good
    That's a little too all inclusive It depends who you want to use as an example. Obama? Clinton? Reid? Pelosi? haha. Alan Grayson?

    or, go back as far as...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hal-9000 View Post
    I loved Woodrow Wilson
    That son of a bitch, and you see the beginnings of the attempts to model the USA after Euro-statist-utopia, where all are depressed to the same level of shittyness. F'n Progressives.

    What did we get from him? Hm, the first midnight votes....the creation of the Federal Reserve...Farm Aid..., food and fuel control act....OOOH, THE INCOME TAX...won a second term on a promise to keep us out of WWI....oops, right after he was elected that's right where we went.

    But of course, he was best president #2 right after FDR as far as we were taught in school

    get that bullshit outta here!

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    finally someone who knows the history I lived don't forget, some of his bills supported segregation


    hit a few more pages FBD, he actually instituted some cool things (for a Dem...)

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